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Title: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: BKDotCom on October 04, 2018, 03:16:02 pm
http://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=549-IKEA-considering-Oklahoma-City

The ultimate big box store?  
I'm not a fan of big-box stores, but it's safe to say that'd definitely be a win for OKC


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: clubtokyo on October 07, 2018, 07:54:28 pm
From a retail perspective it makes way more sense for ikea to choose Tulsa. However ikea is not likely to choose Oklahoma at all and this all a rumor. DFW has 3 ikeas within a 3 hour drive for OKC and 4 hour for Tulsa in addition to KC 4 hours. It makes no business sense for ikea to build in Oklahoma. Before everyone yells at me, I was born and raised in Tulsa and lived in OKC for years. Now live in Texas. I am always rooting for Tulsa. OKC sucks. Lol


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: SXSW on October 08, 2018, 10:51:55 am
You have to wonder if the pull Tulsa receives from NW Arkansas will play any part in this (if actually true) and any future retail announcements.  People there historically have driven the 2 hours on Hwy 412 for shopping (less so now that they have a lot of the same stores) but definitely for concerts and also for Southwest flights from TIA.  NW Ark. is a metro of 525,000 with a moderate growth rate and decent average incomes due to the Wal-Mart/Tyson corporate HQ's.  Combine that with Tulsa's CSA population and that's 1.7 million, and probably around 2 million with the rest of NE Oklahoma included.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: swake on October 08, 2018, 12:25:10 pm
I don’t believe this rumor. Ikea has stopped/canceled four planned expansions in the last few months in metros larger than Oklahoma City saying they are changing their focus from suburban areas and want to focus on stores in urban centers and online sales. They canceled planned stores in Raleigh-Durham, Nashville and one Glendale, AZ, which would have been a second Phoenix store and IKEA ended negations for a Cleveland area store. What’s more, tariffs are hitting retail construction hard.

North Oklahoma City is in no way an “urban center” and OKC doesn’t have the retail market of any of those cities. It makes no sense.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: DowntownDan on October 08, 2018, 02:40:02 pm
I'm not buying that they want to build in "urban centers."  They have been extraordinarily successful with their current model, massive big box in the suburbs with an ocean of parking.  They won't get that in urban centers.  Urban dwellers will go to IKEA as a destination.  That northern part of OKC fits perfectly with what they've been doing.  If they are not building there it would likely be because it's not a big enough metro and statistics probably show that Oklahomans for the most part will go to Dallas or Kansas City for IKEA.  No real need to build in OKC or Tulsa.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: swake on October 08, 2018, 03:22:51 pm
I'm not buying that they want to build in "urban centers."  They have been extraordinarily successful with their current model, massive big box in the suburbs with an ocean of parking.  They won't get that in urban centers.  Urban dwellers will go to IKEA as a destination.  That northern part of OKC fits perfectly with what they've been doing.  If they are not building there it would likely be because it's not a big enough metro and statistics probably show that Oklahomans for the most part will go to Dallas or Kansas City for IKEA.  No real need to build in OKC or Tulsa.

I'm not making this up. City Centers is where they are going:
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Last year, Ikea saw a 40 percent drop in U.K. profits, prompting the Swedish retailer to rethink its strategy. Instead of building big-box hubs on the outskirts of cities (the company has pulled the plug on what would have been the second largest Ikea location in the U.K.), Ikea will begin rolling out a series of smaller retail experiences in the heart of urban centers
https://www.curbed.com/2018/7/25/17611610/ikea-small-format-stores-london-uk

And they aren't doing that well:
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Despite its fervent fan base, the company has seen declines in revenue growth and net income in recent years. Sales increased by more than 8% in 2015 and 2016, but fell short of 4% growth in the most recent two years, according to IBISWorld. Meanwhile, net income fell by more than 40% in the last fiscal year.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2018/06/01/ikea-axes-three-new-u-s-stores-looks-beef-up-online-sales/662598002/

And this:
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IKEA said pulling out of the the Cary location was not about any deficiencies in the town, but was part of a corporate strategy to curtail some of its expansion projects and focus on other initiatives.

"Over the last year, IKEA U.S. has been on a journey to expand our multi-channel shopping experience with new retail locations, enhanced technology and greater accessibility to meet today’s customers where they are in today’s fast-changing retail environment," Ikea said in a statement to The News & Observer. "As part of this journey, we have challenged ourselves to re-evaluate some of our upcoming expansion projects. While this is an extremely difficult decision, we will not be moving forward with our plans to build a store in Cary, N.C. We appreciate the outpouring of support and excitement that our fans have expressed, and we are disappointed that we will not be able to physically join the vibrant Cary community. "

A spokeswoman said the company wasn't in a position to disclose whether other expansion projects will proceed or not, some of which are already under development. Last year, Ikea announced it would open stores in Nashville and in Glendale, Arizona, in 2020.
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article211750844.html

And Nashville and Glendale ALSO were canceled, with the same quote:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/glendale/2018/05/25/ikea-cancels-plans-build-glendale-store/646669002/
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/05/31/antioch-nashville-plans-move-past-ikea-loss-business/655317002/

And stopped negotiations with a suburban Cleveland site:
https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2018/09/14/that-garfield-heights-ikea-aint-happening

IKEA has changed what they have been doing. North Oklahoma City is the old model.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on October 09, 2018, 09:59:35 am
I like Ikea and have used it probably more than most Oklahomans and I get the hype. However, they've made it where shipping is pretty affordable (Was ~$9 for my last online order and ~$90 when I ordered a pallet or two of cabinets). What's so great about having an international company move in and siphon profits from Oklahoma to another country? Sure the alternatives are probably Target/Amazon/Walmart but at least those are American companies.

I get having one a bit closer would be more convenient for Oklahomans, but with the new shipping rates, it's much easier to order online. If you go into an Ikea, you're bound to buy more than you planned and get some things you don't really need. That's how they thrive. It can be a retail boost for the area, but I've been to a couple Ikeas that were basically parking lot ghost towns with basically nothing else close enough to benefit (and besides, it takes so long, it's a 1-stop trip for the majority of people going there).

Ikea was really great 8+ years ago when there really wasn't much competition in terms of prices and especially style, but other places have really upped their game along with online options driving down prices/styles available. Plus the Ikea-look is pretty recognizable and not so great or cutting edge anymore. Basically make anything into almost perfect square shapes or add clean radii on edges. Modern!


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Laramie on October 09, 2018, 01:51:49 pm
IKEA also caters to many college students. OKC is very centrally located with 3 of the state's largest universities (OU, OSU, UCO) close; also it's close enough to serve Tulsa.  Now this is by no means a done deal.   As one poster mentioned; they (IKEA) have been known to not follow through or abandoned interest.

Either city (Tulsa or Oklahoma City) would be situated for one city to pull customers from the other;  location probably will be a factor IF IKEA locates in Oklahoma. 



Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on October 09, 2018, 02:35:04 pm
IKEA also caters to many college students. OKC is very centrally located with 3 of the state's largest universities (OU, OSU, UCO) close; also it's close enough to serve Tulsa.  Now this is by no means a done deal.   As one poster mentioned; they (IKEA) have been known to not follow through or abandoned interest.

Either city (Tulsa or Oklahoma City) would be situated for one city to pull customers from the other;  location probably will be a factor IF IKEA locates in Oklahoma. 



Ikea caters mostly to young professional, 20-something to 30-somethings, and young families. Their customer base is mostly 22-34 year olds. I don't think being close to colleges is that important as college students have far less disposable income and much lower need for furniture than young professionals. Tulsa and OKC are likely pretty even in terms of number 22-34 year olds within a 2 hour drive. OKC metro will have significantly more but Tulsa is much better situated to service NWA (including UofA) plus ORU, TU, RSU, NSU's, OSU's, et al and is the home metro of a large number of OU students too. They definitely need that group to be customers after graduation but Tulsa seems to cover a bit more ground regionally.

Based on Ikea cutting back and boost in online supply, I don't see them adding a location in Oklahoma. There's always a rumor about this place going in that place (See the Google Fiber rumors coming to Oklahoma).


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Laramie on October 10, 2018, 12:33:05 pm
Ikea caters mostly to young professional, 20-something to 30-somethings, and young families. Their customer base is mostly 22-34 year olds. I don't think being close to colleges is that important as college students have far less disposable income and much lower need for furniture than young professionals. Tulsa and OKC are likely pretty even in terms of number 22-34 year olds within a 2 hour drive. OKC metro will have significantly more but Tulsa is much better situated to service NWA (including UofA) plus ORU, TU, RSU, NSU's, OSU's, et al and is the home metro of a large number of OU students too. They definitely need that group to be customers after graduation but Tulsa seems to cover a bit more ground regionally.

Based on Ikea cutting back and boost in online supply, I don't see them adding a location in Oklahoma. There's always a rumor about this place going in that place (See the Google Fiber rumors coming to Oklahoma).

We can all make a case for IKEA to be in either city.  Right now their eyes are on OKC.  I'm not a fan of online purchases for certain items--it makes a great difference when you visit the showrooms, see, feel, smell & touch the products you plan to purchase--that's the old school in me.

Tulsa is poised for growth; possesses many quality retail stores.   OKC lately has an influx of retail & distribution planned or currently under construction; the difference, OKC's growth rate has made it attractive to many establishments that chose Tulsa and bypassed OKC earlier.

The Memorial Road corridor in far north area of OKC continues to be the focus of many big-box retailers and new-to-market chains.

I moved back to OKC from the Metroplex (DFW) in the late 90s, my visits to Tulsa (son lives in & loves T-town) have always been pleasant.  Tulsa is on the verge with a lot of impressive progress; however if you haven't been to OKC of late it's a totally different place than the late 80s & early 90s. OKC's central location and access from I-35/I-40 (Americas crossroads) has been a plus for a city positioned near Wichita & Tulsa.  Oklahoma City is undergoing a complete $1.2 general obligation bonds/MAPS initative package to upgrade/replace roads, bridges, parks, Hall of Fame Stadium, Chesapeake Energy Arena; this is exclusive of the current $777 million of MAPS III projects under construction which includes a new convention center, downtown park,  Streetcar and Riversport Rapids rafting facility.  You'll see a $2 billion economic boost ($987 bonds/$240 million MAPS initiative) that doesn't include private development planned.

Again, IKEA is considering OKC; you bet they didn't overlook Tulsa.




Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on October 10, 2018, 01:19:32 pm

Again, IKEA is considering OKC; you bet they didn't overlook Tulsa.


They aren't considering OKC: http://www.oudaily.com/news/ikea-calls-report-they-are-coming-to-okc-area-purely/article_c8d150a4-c7eb-11e8-a929-63fdd13877e5.html (http://www.oudaily.com/news/ikea-calls-report-they-are-coming-to-okc-area-purely/article_c8d150a4-c7eb-11e8-a929-63fdd13877e5.html)

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a representative of the Swedish-based chain has refuted this claim.


They aren't considering either place, but most all arguments for OKC Ikea location make as much/more sense when applied to Tulsa. OKC isn't close to any major metro areas that aren't also close to Tulsa (For example, Wichita is about as far from Tulsa/OKC) while Tulsa also has NW Arkansas and it's nearly 1 million inhabitants, not to mention SW Missouri that's far more populated than western Oklahoma. There are around 3.5 million within 2.5 hour drive of Tulsa compared to about 2.2 million for OKC.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Laramie on October 10, 2018, 01:41:53 pm
OKCTalk forum has a 'Tulsa & suburbs development' thread.   Would be nice if any TulsaNow posters could contribute to this thread so as to keep us informed of the many projects planned for the Tulsa community.

OKCTalk (Tulsa & Suburbs):  http://www.okctalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=154 (http://www.okctalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=154)

(http://www.skylinescenes.com/image?filename=tulsa_15_9440_up.jpg&width=580&height=0) (https://mlsvc01-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/eed4cac7201/f21e749c-b922-4b4f-9ef5-07f9a66ad6a4.jpg)

Tulsa & Oklahoma City are our state's two major MSAs, it's exciting to see all the growth planned; also equally disappointing to see the projects and developments that didn't mature to full fruition.



Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Laramie on October 10, 2018, 01:54:33 pm
They aren't considering OKC: http://www.oudaily.com/news/ikea-calls-report-they-are-coming-to-okc-area-purely/article_c8d150a4-c7eb-11e8-a929-63fdd13877e5.html (http://www.oudaily.com/news/ikea-calls-report-they-are-coming-to-okc-area-purely/article_c8d150a4-c7eb-11e8-a929-63fdd13877e5.html)


They aren't considering either place, but most all arguments for OKC Ikea location make as much/more sense when applied to Tulsa. OKC isn't close to any major metro areas that aren't also close to Tulsa (For example, Wichita is about as far from Tulsa/OKC) while Tulsa also has NW Arkansas and it's nearly 1 million inhabitants, not to mention SW Missouri that's far more populated than western Oklahoma. There are around 3.5 million within 2.5 hour drive of Tulsa compared to about 2.2 million for OKC.

Thanks for the updated info & source; the source cited sounds very credible, another disappointment...


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on October 10, 2018, 02:23:51 pm
OKCTalk forum has a 'Tulsa & suburbs development' thread.   Would be nice if any TulsaNow posters could contribute to this thread so as to keep us informed of the many projects planned for the Tulsa community.

OKCTalk (Tulsa & Suburbs):  http://www.okctalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=154 (http://www.okctalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=154)

Tulsa & Oklahoma City are our state's two major MSAs, it's exciting to see all the growth planned; also equally disappointing to see the projects and developments that didn't mature to full fruition.



Thanks for sharing that! Didn't realize there was a board about Tulsa developments over there. Good to see that some in OKC are informed about Tulsa developments. There was a lot of chatter about how much better and more advanced OKC is when the "Ikea to OKC" rumor started (i.e: https://old.reddit.com/r/oklahoma/comments/9lcx5e/ikea_considering_oklahoma_city/e765878/ (https://old.reddit.com/r/oklahoma/comments/9lcx5e/ikea_considering_oklahoma_city/e765878/)) and seems like most in OKC don't understand what all is going on in Tulsa (We had CostCo yeard before OKC is getting one, Tulsa has an Urban Outfitters, had uber/lyft first and has a Trader Joe's. The recently completed Gathering Place is the best most-expensive city park in the United States.).

Tulsa was behind in the urban revival it was late to add taxes to pay for improvements and also because most of Tulsa's midtown areas (Like Maple Ridge, Brookside, Florence Park, Yorktown, Utica Square, Cherry Street, Ranch Acres, Bryan Mahr, etc) were thriving throughout its history so there was nothing to renew. OKC's urban core was pretty much gutted economically for several decades so it had nowhere to go but up with ample cheap land/houses for developers. Commercial/Industrial land in the core of Tulsa remained pretty pricey and industry continued pretty thoroughly in a lot of the run down neighborhoods (although housing in a few inner-city neighborhoods got really cheap for a while). Now its especially tough to buy anything except at the "developer price".

OKC was smart getting a head start in urban development but Tulsa has definitely caught up with better more complete urban districts that are surrounded by very nice housing. OKC has nice urban areas too and larger more-developed downtown. Tulsa has nothing like Bricktown, but has nicer high-end urban districts thanks to rich folk sticking around since the homes were first built (Cherry Street, Utica Square, Maple Ridge/Brookside). Compare the Tulsa Arts District to Bricktown to see the difference between Tulsa and OKC overall (Generic/Corporate/kitschy/Family-friendly/suburban vs Unique/Organic/Improvised/Artsy/local). Both are nice and I know OKC has plenty of more artsy areas like Paseo, but so does Tulsa (Pearl and Whittier Districts). I've been to OKC a number of times throughout my life. Cool to see the changes, but also glad that Tulsa is holding its own now so that there's not as much of a need to go visit OKC.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: BKDotCom on October 10, 2018, 02:36:05 pm
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IKEA product placement specialist, has informed The Daily in an email that though IKEA is always looking for new opportunities to expand, they have not announced plans for a store in Oklahoma City and that it is "purely speculation."

That sounds less like a denial and more like a  "we haven't announced anything yet".

the quote is definitely not a "IKEA has no plans to enter the OKC market" level refutation

and "product placement specialist"??


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Laramie on October 10, 2018, 06:01:38 pm
Thanks for sharing that! Didn't realize there was a board about Tulsa developments over there. Good to see that some in OKC are informed about Tulsa developments. There was a lot of chatter about how much better and more advanced OKC is when the "Ikea to OKC" rumor started (i.e: https://old.reddit.com/r/oklahoma/comments/9lcx5e/ikea_considering_oklahoma_city/e765878/ (https://old.reddit.com/r/oklahoma/comments/9lcx5e/ikea_considering_oklahoma_city/e765878/)) and seems like most in OKC don't understand what all is going on in Tulsa (We had CostCo yeard before OKC is getting one, Tulsa has an Urban Outfitters, had uber/lyft first and has a Trader Joe's. The recently completed Gathering Place is the best most-expensive city park in the United States.).

Tulsa was behind in the urban revival it was late to add taxes to pay for improvements and also because most of Tulsa's midtown areas (Like Maple Ridge, Brookside, Florence Park, Yorktown, Utica Square, Cherry Street, Ranch Acres, Bryan Mahr, etc) were thriving throughout its history so there was nothing to renew. OKC's urban core was pretty much gutted economically for several decades so it had nowhere to go but up with ample cheap land/houses for developers. Commercial/Industrial land in the core of Tulsa remained pretty pricey and industry continued pretty thoroughly in a lot of the run down neighborhoods (although housing in a few inner-city neighborhoods got really cheap for a while). Now its especially tough to buy anything except at the "developer price".

OKC was smart getting a head start in urban development but Tulsa has definitely caught up with better more complete urban districts that are surrounded by very nice housing. OKC has nice urban areas too and larger more-developed downtown. Tulsa has nothing like Bricktown, but has nicer high-end urban districts thanks to rich folk sticking around since the homes were first built (Cherry Street, Utica Square, Maple Ridge/Brookside). Compare the Tulsa Arts District to Bricktown to see the difference between Tulsa and OKC overall (Generic/Corporate/kitschy/Family-friendly/suburban vs Unique/Organic/Improvised/Artsy/local). Both are nice and I know OKC has plenty of more artsy areas like Paseo, but so does Tulsa (Pearl and Whittier Districts). I've been to OKC a number of times throughout my life. Cool to see the changes, but also glad that Tulsa is holding its own now so that there's not as much of a need to go visit OKC.


Oh so true!  

What results in the success in all of the developments in both our major cities; we become victims of successful progress.  You are spot on about the inexpensive land that laid barren for decades in OKC; development helped to spur more development.

Brighter days are ahead for OKC-TUL; moderate growth does give us ample time to do strategic planning not brought on by hast.  It does give you a chance to re-calibrate.

Tulsa Vision 2025 & OKC MAPS & general obligation bonds are voter approved initiatives that will reap future benefits for both cities.  



Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Tulsasooner78 on October 11, 2018, 12:44:19 am
Costco was actually looking at OKC first.  Also, Lyft and Uber where in OKC first.  Not that it matters, but when you state such false hoods and then compare everything in Tulsa to Bricktown, you look like an idiot not mentioning Midtown OKC, Uptown, Automobile Alley, The Plaza and Western Ave.   I live in Tulsa and spend a lot of time in OKC and you are coming off dumb.   We should be spending more time focusing on population growth, sales tax growth, and attracting large employers like OKC instead of wondering why a larger city may  get an IKEA first.  We worry to much about losing our self perceived cool factor that we forget about the real important things that create a vibrant city.   What will attract sales tax growth, population growth and large employers?   We need to get our head of the sand and work harder to compete with OKC.   Sadly,  We are still pretty far behind.  What would we do with out Mr. Kaiser?  He has single handily been responsible for a significant portion of investment in this city (Guthrie Green, Brady District, Gathering Place and Etc.).  All of us need to do more to make this city where OTHERS want to live.  Who gives a crap about IKEA?  How about a temporary tax for city schools and public transportation?  How about a dedicated funding source for police and fire?  How about funding a new convention center and attracting a convention hotel?  How about a dedicated funding source for our aging zoo?  Think big!


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on October 11, 2018, 08:02:29 am
Costco was actually looking at OKC first.  Also, Lyft and Uber where in OKC first.  Not that it matters, but when you state such false hoods and then compare everything in Tulsa to Bricktown, you look like an idiot not mentioning Midtown OKC, Uptown, Automobile Alley, The Plaza and Western Ave. 

Who cares if Costco considered OKC first? They built in Tulsa years prior. Uber was in Tulsa first, in early 2014. It came to OKC later in 2014.


I didn't compare "everything" in Tulsa to Bricktown. I compared the largest urban district in each city to each other. I know of those other districts in OKC and I've been to all of them multiple times. I specifically mentioned OKC has plenty of other urban/arts districts. I didn't mention Blue Dome, SOBO, East Village or Deco Districts in Tulsa either.

The residential areas around the core OKC districts aren't quite as nice or filled in as Tulsa's Brookside or Cherry Street. OKC had much more severe white-flight and they didn't maintain the city core as much in earlier decades so it was much more ripe for rebuilding and they have done that pretty well, but plenty of junky houses and empty lots in their core urban areas. Mesta Park is an exception and Midtown had huge improvements the last decade and is really filling in.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: AngieB on October 11, 2018, 08:06:04 am
Costco was actually looking at OKC first.  Also, Lyft and Uber where in OKC first.  Not that it matters, but when you state such false hoods and then compare everything in Tulsa to Bricktown, you look like an idiot not mentioning Midtown OKC, Uptown, Automobile Alley, The Plaza and Western Ave.   I live in Tulsa and spend a lot of time in OKC and you are coming off dumb.   We should be spending more time focusing on population growth, sales tax growth, and attracting large employers like OKC instead of wondering why a larger city may  get an IKEA first.  We worry to much about losing our self perceived cool factor that we forget about the real important things that create a vibrant city.   What will attract sales tax growth, population growth and large employers?   We need to get our head of the sand and work harder to compete with OKC.   Sadly,  We are still pretty far behind.  What would we do with out Mr. Kaiser?  He has single handily been responsible for a significant portion of investment in this city (Guthrie Green, Brady District, Gathering Place and Etc.).  All of us need to do more to make this city where OTHERS want to live.  Who gives a crap about IKEA?  How about a temporary tax for city schools and public transportation?  How about a dedicated funding source for police and fire?  How about funding a new convention center and attracting a convention hotel?  How about a dedicated funding source for our aging zoo?  Think big!

Your first post and you have called a long-time member of the forum an idiot and dumb. Please be more respectful.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 11, 2018, 08:51:34 am
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Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: SXSW on October 11, 2018, 09:00:29 am
How about a temporary tax for city schools and public transportation?  How about a dedicated funding source for police and fire?  How about funding a new convention center and attracting a convention hotel?  How about a dedicated funding source for our aging zoo?  Think big!

Some of these items were part of the latest Vision Tulsa sales tax extension.  And the convention center has been expanded and renovated, including a current project to replace the arena.  A convention hotel is planned as part of the Arena District master plan.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: swake on October 11, 2018, 11:03:22 am
Costco was actually looking at OKC first.  Also, Lyft and Uber where in OKC first.  Not that it matters, but when you state such false hoods and then compare everything in Tulsa to Bricktown, you look like an idiot not mentioning Midtown OKC, Uptown, Automobile Alley, The Plaza and Western Ave.   I live in Tulsa and spend a lot of time in OKC and you are coming off dumb.   We should be spending more time focusing on population growth, sales tax growth, and attracting large employers like OKC instead of wondering why a larger city may  get an IKEA first.  We worry to much about losing our self perceived cool factor that we forget about the real important things that create a vibrant city.   What will attract sales tax growth, population growth and large employers?   We need to get our head of the sand and work harder to compete with OKC.   Sadly,  We are still pretty far behind.  What would we do with out Mr. Kaiser?  He has single handily been responsible for a significant portion of investment in this city (Guthrie Green, Brady District, Gathering Place and Etc.).  All of us need to do more to make this city where OTHERS want to live.  Who gives a crap about IKEA?  How about a temporary tax for city schools and public transportation?  How about a dedicated funding source for police and fire?  How about funding a new convention center and attracting a convention hotel?  How about a dedicated funding source for our aging zoo?  Think big!

Awesome first post.

I’m not buying you live in Tulsa. The ONE post that gets you to register an account is this Ikea thread? And you know nothing about Tulsa? See, two years ago the last Vision Tulsa vote and other recent bond issues have addressed basically every point you bring up.

First, Tulsa schools are not in the physical condition that OKC schools were/are as there have been regular bond issues to address building needs. The last one three years ago was almost a half billion dollar bond issue.
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/education/tulsa-voters-approve-record-setting-school-bond-package/article_310450cd-146c-58f1-bc07-af723480ef0b.html
https://www.tulsaschools.org/connect-with-us/partner-with-us/bond-status-bids-proposals

I wish the Vision plan had more for public transportation, but it did start a permanent tax for public transit and funds a BRT line along Peoria and a transit hub.
https://ktul.com/news/local/new-bus-rapid-transit-service-coming-to-peoria-avenue

The Vision plan had a very large permanent tax for police and fire, more than $250 million, and adds 225 police and fire personnel
https://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/editorials/tulsa-world-editorial-vision-tax-working-as-tulsa-police-fire/article_aba6c883-efe2-5411-89cf-7382882fb78a.html

The last Vision plan also included  renovations to the convention center, on top of funds from Vision 2025. With $55 million from Vision the city has started removing the old arena and will be replacing it with new 40,000 square foot ballroom and new three story entrance to the convention center. This work goes with all the Vision 2025 work on the convention center from 10 years ago. Tulsa doesn’t need a “new” convention center. As for a hotel, the convention center already has a convention hotel (The DoubleTree) along with two other onsite hotels (aLoft and Best Western). Those three hotels have 700 rooms and already exist. And plans have been floated THIS WEEK for another larger convention hotel as part of a huge new plan for the area around the arena. It’s been all over the news, and talked about here. Funny how you missed that but got outraged over an IKEA post that is nonsense anyway. There is no IKEA going to either city. 
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/million-overhaul-of-cox-business-center-to-begin-this-week/article_42819c32-1457-59be-8b70-a671d1bf4a0f.html
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/final-public-meeting-on-arena-district-master-plan-set-for/article_bc40eb80-3859-5eb2-bddd-03cb9e2f1e7e.html


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Tulsasooner78 on October 11, 2018, 03:29:42 pm
Didn’t intended to ruffle feathers.  I had a little Vino last night and went “hard” in the paint.   I am from OKC originally but lived here for 12 years 2001-2013 before my job took me back to OKC in 2013 and I am now back again as of June of this year.   I have read this thread since 2008 and OKC Talk as well but never post.  I do spend a lot of time in OKC and have close friends and family in both towns.  I LOVE both cities very much.   This thread hit me the wrong way as I was just recently speaking about this with some of my Tulsa associates in the film industry and we were having a lively discussion.   

Several of my hipster Tulsa friends were hung up on the  psychological impact of having IKEA in OKC but not Tulsa.  My point was it shouldn’t matter either way.  Both cities should focus on creating a vibrant city where we retain our local talent and ATTRACT others to live here.  My definition of a vibrant city has a lot more to do with the three points I tried to make (sales tax growth, population growth,  and employer attraction/growth) than perception.  I believe we have a long way to go to narrow the gap with OKC in this regard. 

I work in commercial finance across the state and it frustrates me that lots of Tulsans I encounter are caught up with perception.  Both cities are great.  Let’s appreciate them both.   

I apologize TulsaGoldenHurriCAN for insulting you and anyone else.  I will not type and drink the next time.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Tulsasooner78 on October 11, 2018, 03:35:24 pm
I might also add that Pete at OKC Talk has been highly accurate with his reporting and I believe IKEA is in talks with OKC Regarding the Chisholm Creek location.   However, it is a long way away from abeing a done deal.  Just consider the initial long term talks with Costco back in 2012-2013.   I will also note I have first hand knowledge that IKEA has been sniffing around OKC for several years and prior to the Chisholm Creek site they were looking at an urban site in OKC.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: swake on October 11, 2018, 06:56:34 pm
I might also add that Pete at OKC Talk has been highly accurate with his reporting and I believe IKEA is in talks with OKC Regarding the Chisholm Creek location.   However, it is a long way away from abeing a done deal.  Just consider the initial long term talks with Costco back in 2012-2013.   I will also note I have first hand knowledge that IKEA has been sniffing around OKC for several years and prior to the Chisholm Creek site they were looking at an urban site in OKC.

Sounds like Chisholm Creek might be wanting to try to create interest in Ikea, but it certainly doesn't seem like Ikea is interested in the United States, much less OKC. Ikea’s new US stores announced for 2018:

Dublin, CA (Bay Area) Would be a third store in a metro area of 8.6 million - Not canceled but also not started
Ft Worth - Would be a third store in a metro of 7.4 million - Canceled
Glendale, AZ (Phoenix) Would be a second store in a metro of 4.5 million - Canceled
Cleveland - Would be first store in a metro of 3.5 million - Canceled
Broomfield, CO (Denver) Would be a second store in a metro of 3.3 million - Indefinitely delayed
Cary, ND (Raleigh-Durham) Would be first store in a metro of 2.1 million - Canceled
Nashville - Would be first store in a metro of 1.9 million - Canceled


The ONLY store they seem to be moving forward with in the US that wasn’t already under construction as of May 2018 is the East Bay store in Dublin, CA, which has also not started construction.

They have nothing else announced for the US. At all. They list no US stores on their website as coming soon.

Ikea’s corporate newsfeed for new US locations before 2018 posted regularly multiple times a month. They have two posts in all of 2018 and nothing since May.

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/about_ikea/newsroom/expansion_plans?pageNumber=2

Color me skeptical because Ikea certainly doesn’t seem to be expanding the United States. They have canceled stores in much larger, wealthier and faster growing metros than Tulsa (1.1 million) or OKC (1.4 million).


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 11, 2018, 08:09:57 pm
Why do I get the feeling that this is gonna be the same kind of "all hype, no substance" thing as when Krispy Kreme came to town??   

I looked at all the pics of the Renton, WA store...I guess I don't appreciate "just stuff" as much as many do.



Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 11, 2018, 08:11:15 pm
I might also add that Pete at OKC Talk has been highly accurate with his reporting and I believe IKEA is in talks with OKC Regarding the Chisholm Creek location.   However, it is a long way away from abeing a done deal.  Just consider the initial long term talks with Costco back in 2012-2013.   I will also note I have first hand knowledge that IKEA has been sniffing around OKC for several years and prior to the Chisholm Creek site they were looking at an urban site in OKC.


I may have to go to OKC Talk...they have "Eric"...  seems like a person in search of enlightenment.

And GaryOKC6... flat out lying, so I know he is a Trump Minion.   Saying his 401k has nearly doubled since Trump took office.   If it was strictly Amazon or Tesla, maybe yeah.  But no 401 is gonna have just those two options.  

Could be interesting as much time as I spend there.



Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: swake on October 11, 2018, 09:09:07 pm

I may have to go to OKC Talk...they have "Eric"...  seems like a person in search of enlightenment.

And GaryOKC6... flat out lying, so I know he is a Trump Minion.   Saying his 401k has nearly doubled since Trump took office.   If it was strictly Amazon or Tesla, maybe yeah.  But no 401 is gonna have just those two options.  

Could be interesting as much time as I spend there.



Heironymouspasparagus you know "Eric" well, he's known as "erfalf" over here.



Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Tulsasooner78 on October 12, 2018, 09:11:10 am
Swake - Not to be a d**k, but you are incorrect.  Uber was in OKC first.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/business/technology/app-based-ride-service-uber-arrives-in-tulsa/article_40026e93-3a86-5928-8320-7611e4a06771.html

https://newsok.com/article/3895606/get-app-y-new-uber-car-service-arrives-in-oklahoma-city


Lyft launches at same time in both cities.

https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/24/lyft-24-new-cities/

https://newsok.com/article/4568534/lyft-joins-uber-in-oklahoma-city-as-officials-consider-regulating-ridesharing


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Laramie on October 12, 2018, 09:15:16 am
TIME OUT:

From Mayor Holt on Twitter:   https://twitter.com/davidfholt/status/1050408576982880257

https://youtu.be/iEw1E_UtjjE

Welcome your ideas...



Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: swake on October 12, 2018, 09:29:44 am
Swake - Not to be a d**k, but you are incorrect.  Uber was in OKC first.

https://www.tulsaworld.com/business/technology/app-based-ride-service-uber-arrives-in-tulsa/article_40026e93-3a86-5928-8320-7611e4a06771.html

https://newsok.com/article/3895606/get-app-y-new-uber-car-service-arrives-in-oklahoma-city


Lyft launches at same time in both cities.

https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/24/lyft-24-new-cities/

https://newsok.com/article/4568534/lyft-joins-uber-in-oklahoma-city-as-officials-consider-regulating-ridesharing

Not to be a "d**k", but when did I mention Uber at all?


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Townsend on October 12, 2018, 10:08:58 am
Not to be a "d**k", but when did I mention Uber at all?

Going forward, can we begin all our posts with "not to be a d**k"?

Rename it "Tulsa-not-to-be-a-d**k-Now"


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: swake on October 12, 2018, 10:33:03 am
Going forward, can we begin all our posts with "not to be a d**k"?

Rename it "Tulsa-not-to-be-a-d**k-Now"

It's probably about as polite as you can possibly expect in the age of Trump.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Tulsasooner78 on October 12, 2018, 01:30:31 pm
Swake - Apologies.   It was Hurricane that mentioned Uber.   

For the record, I am a Democrat😀


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 12, 2018, 04:04:09 pm
Heironymouspasparagus you know "Eric" well, he's known as "erfalf" over here.




Ahhhh...  alrighty, then... let the games begin!  Maybe I should get a different name there.  Something a little easier to type in every time I sign on! 



Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 12, 2018, 04:04:43 pm
Swake - Apologies.   It was Hurricane that mentioned Uber.   

For the record, I am a Democrat😀



So, not a member of any organized political party, huh??



Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 12, 2018, 04:05:53 pm
Going forward, can we begin all our posts with "not to be a d**k"?

Rename it "Tulsa-not-to-be-a-d**k-Now"


Ok, so I need some clarification...if I say that at beginning of posts, can I actually still be one like Trump is/does all the time??



Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Laramie on October 17, 2018, 05:22:35 pm
Whether or not the IKEA rumor is dead; we have seen some recent companies/corporations land in midtown--north of DT.  One in particular, Global Payments (Atlanta) cited the Streetcar route and YMCA Parking Garage (pic, bottom left) as reasons for expansion/relocation of its North American HQ to OKC.  

(http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/heartland072718d.jpg)

They plan to bring 345 - 600+ jobs to the area with an average salary $59,172; some of these jobs will include relocations from Atlanta.  Oklahoma City council did approve $1 million in incentives to support construction.

Don't know the impact of our recent liquor laws or medical marijuana; however some think it's an attitude shift in Oklahoma that will eventually benefit TULSA-OKC.

Payment processor firm could bring more than 600 jobs to planned downtown OKC office:  https://newsok.com/article/5596196/payment-processor-firm-to-bring-more-than-600-jobs-to-planned-downtown-okc-office (https://newsok.com/article/5596196/payment-processor-firm-to-bring-more-than-600-jobs-to-planned-downtown-okc-office)

Heartland headquarters incentives deal advances in Oklahoma City Council:  https://newsok.com/article/5607958/heartland-headquarters-incentives-deal-advances-in-oklahoma-city-council (https://newsok.com/article/5607958/heartland-headquarters-incentives-deal-advances-in-oklahoma-city-council)

OKC:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVc4pgBGO28 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVc4pgBGO28)


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: TheArtist on October 18, 2018, 07:30:50 am
One thing I am very thankful for is our push to get pedestrian friendly/transit friendly development in our core.  Don't always get it as the rules are so lax, but we have been getting a decent amount nonetheless.  Seems more OKC developments in their core don't "get it", but thats just armchair prognosticating.  We may go down to OKC this Saturday to take a gander and see what they are up to down the pike lol.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: swake on October 18, 2018, 08:27:03 am
One thing I am very thankful for is our push to get pedestrian friendly/transit friendly development in our core.  Don't always get it as the rules are so lax, but we have been getting a decent amount nonetheless.  Seems more OKC developments in their core don't "get it", but thats just armchair prognosticating.  We may go down to OKC this Saturday to take a gander and see what they are up to down the pike lol.


They are about to start their streetcar train service. That's WAY beyond anything we are doing. "Bus Rapid Transit" in a few years doesn't cut it.


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: SXSW on October 18, 2018, 08:52:23 am
They are about to start their streetcar train service. That's WAY beyond anything we are doing. "Bus Rapid Transit" in a few years doesn't cut it.

Bus Rapid Transit, if done right with set schedules, covered stops and high frequency, can be more effective than a streetcar.  Especially for a long distance inter-city route like Peoria.  That being said I think we should look at what OKC (and Kansas City) have done with a streetcar and see if we can do something similar that connects the downtown districts and also to TU.  I'm in OKC every few months and have been impressed by the new developments that have been spurred along the line. 

Anyways this thread is about IKEA..


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Laramie on October 18, 2018, 10:17:52 am
Bus Rapid Transit will be a plus for Tulsa.  It will be a success.   Hope Tulsa eventually bring its own streetcar system to downtown.  You have a beautiful/clean downtown; the streetcar would cater to tourists; especially convention attendees.  

Oklahoma City Streetcar system will serve 3 areas covering 6.9 miles, Downtown, Midtown (4.9 mile loop) & Bricktown (2.0 mile loop); the 6.9 miles of streetcar link interconnects.  Our biggest snag with the streetcar will be the underground tunnel--Metro Concourse which stretches throughout 20 blocks downtown, it covers 1 mile:  http://downtownokc.com/underground/ (http://downtownokc.com/underground/)

Tour of the OKC MAPS III streetcar route:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD7cyPMq18s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD7cyPMq18s)

Oklahoma City 3D Fly-Through  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVgYJoEP36Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVgYJoEP36Q)

There are many exciting developments under construction in OKC's new convention district with the 72 acre $131 million DT Scissortail Park, New Convention Center & 605 room Omni Hotel and the 133 room Fairfield Inn & Suites by Tulsa developer Andy Pratel has topped off at 5 stories next to the convention center.  http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=38017&page=10 (http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=38017&page=10).

The Convention Center District comprised of $288 million convention center, $40 million 550 space parking garage, $131 million downtown park, $240 million Omni & $80 million Fairfield INN hotels will infuse $860 million into the new district.

MAPS 3 Oklahoma City Streetcar Progress Update – July 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gJKRIt15hU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gJKRIt15hU)





Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Laramie on October 18, 2018, 10:55:16 am


Oklahoma City's Bricktown District:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU3uO_1P6mg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU3uO_1P6mg)


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: AngieB on October 18, 2018, 12:58:44 pm
Blah, blah, blah, blah, OKC, blah, blah, blah, OKC, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, OKC...  ::)


Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: Laramie on October 18, 2018, 03:05:41 pm
An Atlanta-based technology service company is seeking financial incentives to aid in bringing up to 150 jobs to Oklahoma City.

(http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/rural2.jpg)


Rural Sourcing, Inc. currently has 420 employees and is rapidly growing. It has targeted OKC for an expansion office and plans to add 150 new jobs over the next three years.

The average first-year wage is estimated at $68,614, according to documents appearing on the agenda for next Tuesday's Economic Development Trust meeting.

The offices would be located in the Plow Building, a recently restored five-story building at 29 E. Reno Ave. in Bricktown. Formerly abandoned, the Plow was thoroughly renovated by local developer Richard McKown and with this latest deal is approaching full capacity.

(http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/rural1.jpg)

Rural Sourcing specializes in domestically outsourced software development and support. In addition to their Atlanta headquarters, the have offices in Albuquerque, New Mexico; Mobile, Alabama; and Jonesboro, Arkansas.

A memo to the trust from city manager Jim Couch indicates the Chamber of Commerce has been working with the company since July and that Rural Sourcing reviewed 50 mid-size cities and considered factors such as access to IT talent, cost of living, quality of life and economic incentives.

It is estimated that the financial impact would be $122.5 million over the first seven years.

The company plans to invest $500,000 in leasehold improvements and $1 million in furniture and equipment over the next three years.

The trust is being asked to approve a resolution that would be the first step in allocating $450,000 in incentives in general obligation limited tax bond proceeds. Ultimately, city council would have to provide final approval.

(http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/rural3.jpg)

via OKCTalk:  Tech company to bring 150 jobs to Bricktown - Published on 09-14-2018 10:00 AM


Published: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 By: Steve Lackmeyer Source: NewsOK

Rural Sourcing, a software development company, is set to start hiring for its proposed new location in Bricktown later this year with plans to staff up to 150 people or more after three years.

Tre Sasser, chief financial officer at the Atlanta-based company, said Oklahoma City prevailed over 49 other cities considered for the company's fifth development center.

“I'm incredibly excited by the prospect of coming to Oklahoma City,” Sasser said Tuesday during a presentation to the Oklahoma City Economic Development Trust. “We believe it's the right combination of high-tech talent, low cost of living and quality of life to get us started.”  https://www.greateroklahomacity.com/news/2018/09/19/newsok/rural-sourcing-aims-to-compete-against-world-from-bricktown/ (https://www.greateroklahomacity.com/news/2018/09/19/newsok/rural-sourcing-aims-to-compete-against-world-from-bricktown/)

The company will be on the Oklahoma City Streetcar Bricktown loop west of the Bricktown Ballpark.



Title: Re: OKC Ikea rumor
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on October 18, 2018, 05:15:41 pm
Blah, blah, blah, blah, OKC, blah, blah, blah, OKC, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, OKC...  ::)


No kidding...!!   We just opened Gathering Place.  I haven't stopped in yet, but have driven by and it looks impressive.  OKC doesn't have that.  Or anything really like it...