Tom or Dewey - What's a Republican To Do?

[Bat Bat]

I thought it would be easy for me to simply go down to the booth and mark my line for the Republican nominee come this November but I'm rethinking it.  No I'm serioulsy rethinking it.  I'm not a hard core party person but then again I think I've voted for the Republican nominee for mayor every year since I could vote. 

Trash?  Water?  Sewer?  Streets?  Public safety?  Republican or Democrat are either of the party positions on municipal issues that different?  It could be naivety but I don't think so as I'm typing this post.  Tom or Dewey, are either of their positions on municipal issues really that different?  It could be naivety again but I don't think so as I'm typing this post. 

Yes on state and national issues Tom and I differ.  You know what, I think on state and national issues Dewey and I differ.  So what is a Republican to do?

For me, what it basically comes down to is who do I think is going to represent me and my family best and we don't live in midtown?  Who do I think will represent Tulsa as a whole the best?  Who do I think can not just feed my a line of B.S. (or as little as possible) but tell me the truth (or as much as possible) good or bad and attempt to do something about it?  Who do I think is actually going to work?  Who do I think is actually going to do their homework on issues and make the best informed decision possible?

This may be the first time I mark that line for a Democrat.     

[shadows]

There don't to be any difference on their platforms.  It is continue the status  quo in the little Branson entertainment arena. (IDL)  Dewey had his time when he was a councilor and it seems that much of his time on the council one could not tell whether the was awake or asleep.  He has supported democrats in the past.
Course  the productive part of the city is south of the 71st courier where the Creeks are wanting to develop.  With about three casino downtown and using those monstrosities for storage, would light the DT up and bring in some real money.     

[RecycleMichael]

There are differences. You guys just don't want to look for them and want to generalize...

http://www.tomadelson.com/

http://www.deweybartlett.com/

These two have completely different styles and personalities as well. Who would do a better job at running the city...including managing a large work force, developing relationships and sometimes fighting against the council, protecting neighborhoods while being pro-development when possible...?

The next Mayor (and every Mayor) has to work ridiculous hours. Which candidate will be willing and able to do that?

They will have find private dollars to supplement a struggling city budget. They will have to appoint hundreds of volunteers to city authorities, boards and committees (some of whom have lately been abused by the council confirmation process, in my opinion). The next Mayor will have to properly manage a relationship with suburbs and tribes on bridges and tax-exempt shopping and will need to stay on top of a $450 million (biggest ever) street rehab. Thousands of citizens participated in PlaniTulsa...which candidate best understands what we said we wanted?   

There are lots of differences in these two...read up on them, ask people who know them about what we can expect if elected to lead us. Attend a public forum. Then get back to us.

[MDepr2007]

But most importantly, look who they surround themselves with and you'll get a bigger picture of which way they swing the bat for Tulsa. As a whole or as a couple of sections.

[shadows]

There are differences. You guys just don't want to look for them and want to generalize...
Which candidate will be willing and able to do that?  

Have you joined the fire department so you can have a place to go and  analyze the political system while resting from your two days off after spending one in the fire house? I cannot see where the candidtes offer any more than "four more of the same"

[OpenYourEyesTulsa]

Don't forget about the independent candidate Mark Perkins

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20090913_11_A17_Tulsam670217

[Wrinkle]

If I don't under vote Mayor, it'll be an Independent.

Either of the party lines are more of the same.

Actually, seems to me it's now a struggle between OKC-power vs local power. Ms. Kitty (from the Savage line) and Adleson (from State Senate) on the OKC front, with Bartlett being the World/Chamber line.

Either one is bad for Tulsa.

[Conan71]

If I don't under vote Mayor, it'll be an Independent.

Either of the party lines are more of the same.

Actually, seems to me it's now a struggle between OKC-power vs local power. Ms. Kitty (from the Savage line) and Adleson (from State Senate) on the OKC front, with Bartlett being the World/Chamber line.

Either one is bad for Tulsa.

I've been thinking that with Tom's Senate experience, perhaps we might finally have someone as mayor who understands how to get more of our share out of OKC.

[Wrinkle]

I've been thinking that with Tom's Senate experience, perhaps we might finally have someone as mayor who understands how to get more of our share out of OKC.

...yeah, if we elect their guy.

[DCtransplant]

I've been thinking that with Tom's Senate experience, perhaps we might finally have someone as mayor who understands how to get more of our share out of OKC.

It won't work that way. Quite the oppoosite, actually. If anything, Adelson would be a hinderance. And if Fallin gets elected, so much more so.

Adelson will be viewed, correctly in my estimation, as a man whose political ambitions go further than simply Mayor of Tulsey Town. The Congressional delegation and especially the state legislature will be loathe to provide him with anything that could later be touted as a "political victory".  They will look to "nip him in the bud", so to speak

and Tulsa has recently done very well indeed as it pertains to road money coming out of OKC

[MichaelBates]

It won't work that way. Quite the oppoosite, actually. If anything, Adelson would be a hinderance. And if Fallin gets elected, so much more so.

Adelson will be viewed, correctly in my estimation, as a man whose political ambitions go further than simply Mayor of Tulsey Town. The Congressional delegation and especially the state legislature will be loathe to provide him with anything that could later be touted as a "political victory".  They will look to "nip him in the bud", so to speak

and Tulsa has recently done very well indeed as it pertains to road money coming out of OKC

They wanted to nip Taylor in the bud, too, but they didn't get any help from Dewey Bartlett Jr in 2006.

Taylor was a threat to climb higher because of a moderate image and, in 2006, no record as an elected official. (That moderate image was not borne out by her support for the mayor's gun-grabbing coalition and the Kyoto protocols -- and yet in endorsing her re-election Dewey Jr never took exception to any of that.) Because of his record on social issues, Adelson would have a much harder time than Taylor in advancing to federal office.

I suspect that the congressional delegation is none too happy with Dewey Jr's support for KT's re-election, which would have put her in a better position to challenge one of them. From that perspective, Bartlett v. Adelson is a wash.

[Conan71]

It won't work that way. Quite the oppoosite, actually. If anything, Adelson would be a hinderance. And if Fallin gets elected, so much more so.

Adelson will be viewed, correctly in my estimation, as a man whose political ambitions go further than simply Mayor of Tulsey Town. The Congressional delegation and especially the state legislature will be loathe to provide him with anything that could later be touted as a "political victory".  They will look to "nip him in the bud", so to speak

and Tulsa has recently done very well indeed as it pertains to road money coming out of OKC

For someone who claims to be a DC insider, your knowledge of politics seems severely limited to me, though you do seem to be a master of cliches. 

If Sen. Adelson had vastly higher aspirations, why not run against Coburn in two years, instead of being mayor?  Why not run for governor instead?  Do you know Tom personally and he's intimated to you that he's aspiring for something even better than Mayor of Tulsa?  I think you also underestimate his popularity with Reps and Dems down at the capital.  He knows how the system works from the other side and will still have friends in both chambers that can help the city in terms of funding and legislation.

Even if his ambitions go further than mayor of Tulsa, why would that be a turn off to other legislators with whom he's forged relationships?  Please provide some basis for your line of thinking because it's not as apparent as you claim it is.

[sgrizzle]

Adelson was at Joe Momma's today for lunch. That +5 in my own scoreboard of arbitrary reasons to vote.

[DCtransplant]

For someone who claims to be a DC insider, your knowledge of politics seems severely limited to me, though you do seem to be a master of cliches. 

If Sen. Adelson had vastly higher aspirations, why not run against Coburn in two years, instead of being mayor?  Why not run for governor instead?  Do you know Tom personally and he's intimated to you that he's aspiring for something even better than Mayor of Tulsa?  I think you also underestimate his popularity with Reps and Dems down at the capital.  He knows how the system works from the other side and will still have friends in both chambers that can help the city in terms of funding and legislation.

Even if his ambitions go further than mayor of Tulsa, why would that be a turn off to other legislators with whom he's forged relationships?  Please provide some basis for your line of thinking because it's not as apparent as you claim it is.

I don't know personally, but I do know how these things work. The original statement was that Adelson would be a boon to monies appropriated by the state legislature and I do not believe this to be so. This will especially hold true if Mary Fallin is elected Governor as she is hyper-political. I'm not begging you to heed my words, i'm just telling from someone who has been to a couple of rodeos that this is how it will be.

And yes, one member in particular in the federal delegation viewed and still views Kathy taylor as a potential future threat and has sometimes been less than accomodating in their dealings. But for the most part, her charm, hard work and true bipartisasn spirit has won most of her original skeptics over. Tom Adelson may be many things, but a retail politician he ain't. Also, Mayor taylor had the benefit of having a friend and only other significant state Democrat sitting in the Governor's mansion for the entirety of her term. But hey, never let facts get in the way of a mediocre tale

and for the record, I have never claimed to be a "DC Insider"

 

[carltonplace]

Adelson was at Joe Momma's today for lunch. That +5 in my own scoreboard of arbitrary reasons to vote.

LOL, what kind of boost if had bought your lunch?

Hopefully he bought a tshirt at Dwelling Spaces, a beer at Arnie's and some porn at Midtown adult too.