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Tom or Dewey - What's a Republican To Do?

Started by Bat Bat, September 13, 2009, 05:27:14 PM

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Conan71

Quote from: DCtransplant on September 14, 2009, 02:24:47 PM

I don't know personally, but I do know how these things work. The original statement was that Adelson would be a boon to monies appropriated by the state legislature and I do not believe this to be so. This will especially hold true if Mary Fallin is elected Governor as she is hyper-political. I'm not begging you to heed my words, i'm just telling from someone who has been to a couple of rodeos that this is how it will be.

And yes, one member in particular in the federal delegation viewed and still views Kathy taylor as a potential future threat and has sometimes been less than accomodating in their dealings. But for the most part, her charm, hard work and true bipartisasn spirit has won most of her original skeptics over. Tom Adelson may be many things, but a retail politician he ain't. Also, Mayor taylor had the benefit of having a friend and only other significant state Democrat sitting in the Governor's mansion for the entirety of her term. But hey, never let facts get in the way of a mediocre tale ;)

and for the record, I have never claimed to be a "DC Insider"

 

Thanks for explaining a little more that helps.  So, if Sen. Adelson has higher aspirations say to the Governor's mansion or our DC delegation as a member of the HOR or Senate, that still doesn't stand to reason why an entire Oklahoma legislature would be put off by him and restrict help toward the city.  I could see two or three members with similar aspirations trying to hamper him, but not an entire Oklahoma House or Senate. 

I think I'll take my chances with Adelson in this case. 
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

FOTD

My hopes were TA would take on Sully. Some said he was thinking of attorney general. This indicates he does not wish to move to DC or OKsh!ty

DTowner

I don't know him, but based on Adelson's age and past offices he's held (and holds), higher aspirations seem logical and likely.  I don't see why that is necessarily a negative as that also means he would be motivated to achieve things to improve his chances of moving up.

While politicians are very capable of being petty, vindicative and protective of their jobs, it is pretty unlikely that members of the Oklahoma delegation would block projects for Tulsa to prevent the Tulsa Mayor from getting any credit.  Bringing projects, jobs, etc. home is always going to help the Congressman/Senator more than the Mayor.  That is why they are front and center at the ribbon cutting or press conference claiming the cedit (deserved or not). 

PonderInc

Um... remind me why is it bad to have aspirations beyond the immediate future?

The only time this frustrates me is when TU basketball coaches have used our fair University as a brief stepping stone in their careers (while giving lip service to their love of Tulsa, their desire to stay forever, raise their kids here, etc, etc.)

In general, I prefer quality folks with aspirations, to the entrenched, mediocre fellows we often see (such as those who have made permament homes in our city council and in various City and County departments...).



FOTD

Quote from: Floyd on September 17, 2009, 01:59:08 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=262&articleid=20090913_11_A17_Tulsam670217

If he keeps doing what he's been doing he will get his family votes....maybe.

The kid won't say anything but "just say no to the status quo"....


FOTD

Well, looks like Dewey is being the demagogue and calling a progressive a liberal and trying to paint the picture that Tulsa's leadership demands more of that old fashioned Christian leadership. Say what? Dewey, when did you find faith? After your divorce? After you screwed your family? Before you profited from your position with ODOT and the extension of our expressway system? Or was it after Daddy hired a handler to watch after you during your drunkin drug filled mayhem daze?

Give us all a break from demonizing democrats and let's discuss issues, Dewey. Otherwise, the tactics to fight you will expose your faults with family life, social life and business life. Tulsa deserves better than partisan politics handed down from your National Party of hypocrites. It will be easy to expose your transgressions against the ancient GOP family values bs even if you portray yourself as born again. Shameful how you are spooning Anna and Chris....the churches will not save North Tulsa. It will take a strong leader with connections to the state legislature and the White House. Dewey, you ain't there. Don't be screwy.

swake

Dewey's ad is pretty disgusting. Shame on him. Or rather, if he runs crap like that, he has no shame.

Anyone low enough to do that kind of campaign has no business in public life.
Pitter-patter, let's get at 'er

Wrinkle

Quote from: swake on September 19, 2009, 09:05:13 AM
Dewey's ad is pretty disgusting. Shame on him. Or rather, if he runs crap like that, he has no shame.

Anyone low enough to do that kind of campaign has no business in public life.

Looks like Dewey has brought us together for the first time.

I can't recall a more evil campaign ad than that, especially since it's based on the initial lie that his opponent has tried to trash him, when that hasn't occurred.


FOTD

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Screwy Dewey is authorizing NEGATIVE ads depicting TA as hateful ( Gov. Henry should be shot for lowering state income taxes) and as a "liberal" tax and spender. TA is a progressive and not a liberal. Dewey is a reactionary and not even a conservative.

It would seem to me that Adelson was trying to protect funding for public education and important government services which in a downturn would be the important items to face the largest cuts.

Does Dewey go along with further damaging our public schools by supporting less income through current tax levels? What other government services does Bartlett want cut back or eliminated?

rwarn17588

It seems Bartlett's strategy is as dumb as a fox's, however.

This immediate attacking by Bartlett is reminiscent of Joe Lieberman pounding on the Democratic nominee for senator barely 24 hours after the primary. Joe knew he was behind, and decided to go on the offensive when his opponent went on a short vacation. The strategy got Lieberman's name in a ton of media, and it gave him an early lead that he wouldn't relinquish.

So Adelson had better not sit back while Bartlett is lobbing mortar shells.

MichaelBates

Adelson never said what Bartlett Jr's ad claims. From the May 17, 2006, World:

QuotePutting the annual state budget puzzle together got a little more complicated for Gov. Brad Henry on Tuesday.

His Democratic allies in the state Senate rebelled against a proposed tax-and-spending deal he announced with House Speaker Todd Hiett, R-Kellyville, on Monday....

For some Democrats on Tuesday, the issue seemed personal.

Sen. Tom Adelson, D-Tulsa, said he was so angry at the deal that he has asked Henry to return a $5,000 campaign contribution he had made to Henry's re-election campaign.

"I understand the historical observation is that we treat prisoners of war humanely but we shoot traitors," Adelson said.

Bartlett Jr first issued a press release with this attack the day after the primary.  I wrote at the time that "anyone with reading comprehension skills will understand Adelson's point: Those who are actively and honestly opposing you are easier to treat with kindness than allies who betray your cause."

Bartlett's ad is over the top and offensive in its dishonesty, but as rwarn notes, Adelson has to respond, and so far it doesn't seem that he has.

KRMG's blog has the TV commercial and audio of the September 9 interview with Adelson in which, according to Bartlett Jr, Adelson attacked him.

Bat Bat

This ad is simply one more reason why this Republican will be voting for Tom Adelson come November.

Conan71

No, I don't think Senator Adelson needs to respond to the ad, unless he mentions it briefly in an interview or candidate forum and only if asked.  If I were him, I sure as hell would not put together a "rebuttal" ad.  It would just give Bartlett more attention and stoop to playing at his level.  Let Bartlett's campaign implode from here, he's doing just fine without any help from Sen. Tom. 

Let me guess, is Jim Burdge working for Team Bartlett now?

What's the over/under line?  I say Adelson wins with a margin of 8%
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan