Frack Off

[DolfanBob]

Well if Jeb Bush says it's OK and Business men should invest in it. Then its gotta be a good thing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2964992/Jeb-Bush-facing-questions-claims-urged-businesses-invest-fracking-stood-profit-private-equity-group.html

[DolfanBob]

Another article. Looks to be gaining steam in the State connect the dots game.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2999373/Reactivated-fault-lines-Oklahoma-cause-major-quake-study.html

[carltonplace]

The result of the earthquake study were stated thusly (verbatim): "it's the deep well injections stupid"

[sauerkraut]

Oklahoma is based on oil & gas. We need drilling, there is no proof Fracking  causes quakes or anything else. Passing laws to ban or control it is nuts and it hurts the economy. Quakes happen deep underground and have no connection to fracking.

[sauerkraut]

Another article. Looks to be gaining steam in the State connect the dots game.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2999373/Reactivated-fault-lines-Oklahoma-cause-major-quake-study.html

The key words in the article are "Could have Been", it's also just as likely it  has zero effect. Articles like that are not based on fact or science. Fracking could cause black holes to open up and swallow up the Earth, then again they may not. I'm tellin' ya .

[AquaMan]

What would you know about science or fact?

At least the people who did these studies have something upon which to base their conclusions. They studied science and earthquakes.

You have the ability to read, write and repeat political doctrine.

[Hoss]

What would you know about science or fact?

At least the people who did these studies have something upon which to base their conclusions. They studied science and earthquakes.

You have the ability to read, write and repeat political doctrine.

And two of those are questionable at best.

[Townsend]

What would you know about science or fact?

At least the people who did these studies have something upon which to base their conclusions. They studied science and earthquakes.

You have the ability to read, write and repeat political doctrine.

His probation officer needs to be told he's accessing the internet again.

[Townsend]

Sure sounds like a threat...

Stillwater Officials: Oil Lobbyists Warned of Legislation if Vote on Drilling Ordinance Wasn't Delayed

http://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/

Officials in at least two cities have publicly questioned bills filed during the 2015 legislative session that would limit the local governments' authority to regulate oil and gas activity.

The bills' authors say the measures are meant to prevent towns, cities and counties from banning or effectively banning oil and gas drilling and related production activities, like hydraulic fracturing. Officials in Norman and Stillwater, for their part, say the legislation is an overreach that could limit their ability to write ordinances to protect the health and safety of local residents.

Stillwater has been considering stricter oil and gas ordinances, including 1,000-foot setbacks and limits on things like noise, traffic, gas flares, lights and dust. Two Stillwater city councilors say oil industry representatives told them to delay their vote on the ordinance or state lawmakers would pass a law that could "cost the city a lot of money," the Tulsa World's Ziva Branstetter reports:

The lobbyists and an attorney representing the Consumer Energy Alliance, an energy industry group based in Washington, D.C., told councilors that state lawmakers will approve one of two bills currently before the Legislature. If the council failed to delay its vote on the local ordinance, the lawmakers would pass the bill that is more restrictive of cities' ability to regulate drilling, the councilors say they were told.

Oklahoma-based lobbyists Pat Hall and Jim Dunlap met with council members before their March 23 meeting, during which councilors voted 3-2 to delay a vote on the ordinance. A public hearing on the ordinance had been set for April 6 but was delayed until April 20.

"They said this is not a threat. ... This is what will happen," Councilor Gina Noble said.

Hall, the lobbyist, acknowledges asking Stillwater city councilors to delay a vote on the ordinance, but denies it was a threat.

"I don't know if it (the vote) was because of us," Hall said.

"We tried to really reiterate that we were not in any way threatening them. We were just showing them that there's two bills, ... one that has the word 'reasonable' in it so the city of Stillwater could still pass an ordinance."

[AquaMan]

Sauer, I know you can read. Can you comprehend? The previous post about who controls our legislature and why we are being kept in the dark is scary enough. Here in a nutshell from a major newspaper OUTSIDE of Oklahoma is an article that pretty much sums up what is happening in our state.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/04/us/as-quakes-rattle-oklahoma-fingers-point-to-oil-and-gas-industry.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=1

Please note the reference to a likely 7.0 magnitude quake for the Oklahoma City area and our dear David Boren's response.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Oklahoma is based on oil & gas. We need drilling, there is no proof Fracking  causes quakes or anything else. Passing laws to ban or control it is nuts and it hurts the economy. Quakes happen deep underground and have no connection to fracking.

So,...just curious....what exactly is it that happened to you sometime in the past that made you this way??

[sauerkraut]

What would you know about science or fact?

At least the people who did these studies have something upon which to base their conclusions. They studied science and earthquakes.

You have the ability to read, write and repeat political doctrine.

It must be remembered that some studies are agenda driven, or the "experts" are hired by the anti-oil industry to prove what they want proved, if they don't prove what they want proved the "experts" are fired and replaced by others who will prove their point. I dunno if that's the case here, but it's the case with things like global warming. The planet is cooling and the "experts" need to prove the planet is overheating. That even goes back to the "climate gate" scandal of 2007 when climate data was being doctored to prove the planet was warming up. All  sources need to be studied open & fairly. I have no issues with fracking or oil drilling. Bottom line is we need to know who those "experts" are and who those scientists are and who or what group is paying them.. That's all. No biggie.

[carltonplace]

A Warming Deiner would certainly know better than any educated expert.

And you are right, the fracking is not causing the earthquakes...the deep injection wells (where they put the unwanted detritus caused by fracking) is causing the earthquakes.

[Townsend]

This might've gotten their attention.

Magnitude 4.3 Earthquake Recorded South of Guthrie

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/magnitude-43-earthquake-recorded-south-guthrie

GUTHRIE, Okla. (AP) — The U.S. Geological Survey reports an earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 4.3 has been recorded south of Guthrie in central Oklahoma.

Logan County Sheriff's Sergeant Greg Valencia said there are no reports of injury or damage.

The USGS recorded the quake at 3:52 p.m. Wednesday two miles south of Guthrie. It was felt about 15 miles away in Edmond, where police spokesman Jennifer Monroe said the police station shook, but there was also no reports of damage or injury.

The epicenter of the quake was about 25 miles north of Oklahoma City.

I'd assume if the rest of the capital fell to the ground, they may take heed...

[Red Arrow]

I'd assume if the rest of the capital fell to the ground, they may take heed...

Why would you assume that?