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[Townsend]

Why would you assume that?

Some of them could be crushed in the rubble

[patric]

Sure sounds like a threat...

Stillwater Officials: Oil Lobbyists Warned of Legislation if Vote on Drilling Ordinance Wasn't Delayed

As in Eminent Domain? 
Scores of people who lost their farms to the Canadian pipeline (XL) might be able to address that.

[Conan71]

As in Eminent Domain? 
Scores of people who lost their farms to the Canadian pipeline (XL) might be able to address that.

Do you have links to all these farms lost?

You do realize the farmers would have been paid very good money for that 50 to 100' wide ROW across their property, right?  It's not like it would have been lost by eminent domain.

[patric]

Do you have links to all these farms lost?

You do realize the farmers would have been paid very good money for that 50 to 100' wide ROW across their property, right?  It's not like it would have been lost by eminent domain.

All of them?  Doesnt sound reasonable.  How about we start 3 months ago...


TransCanada had spent the last six years "bullying" landowners into signing away the rights to their land, but a group of about 100 is prepared to continue fighting.  Crumly said her family first heard from TransCanada when a company representative called at 9:30 p.m. a few years ago to tell them that the planned route would go through their land. At the time, she said, TransCanada made them an offer that was less than the price of a set of tires for an irrigation rig.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-keystone-land-2015-0120-story.html

Or you could just hit the "back" button on your browser...

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=18662.msg254809#msg254809

Arthur Judge, a Wood County deputy sheriff, admitted to Texas landowner Susan Scott that TransCanada was paying the police by the hour to work private security details. "He was patrolling the easement on my farm and he informed me that his mandate was to arrest anyone at anytime that sets foot on the easement," attests Ms. Scott. "The officer also demanded that I show ID or he would arrest me, all this while I was standing on my own private property in the middle of the woods. TransCanada is ordering police to arrest me just for trying to take a walk across my own farm."

"The main goal of corporations working in this way is to try to have a small group of activists get hammered with serious charges so the community will be afraid to stand up and protest"
http://www.seattletimes.com/news/big-oils-fight-for-keystone-xl-includes-tracking-critics-activists/




In Oklahoma, for instance, undercover police officers infiltrated a group of protesters, preempting a planned demonstration at a TransCanada storage facility, according to a police report obtained by Bloomberg News.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-24/on-terror-alert-inside-big-oil-s-fight-to-build-keystone

[DolfanBob]

As in Eminent Domain? 
Scores of people who lost their farms to the Canadian pipeline (XL) might be able to address that.

Quite a few people in East BA lost their land for the Creek extension when they refused the low ball offers.

[Hoss]

Quite a few people in East BA lost their land for the Creek extension when they refused the low ball offers.

Let's not forget the fiasco with the Denver Grill during the land acquisition phase of the BOK Center construction.  I'm glad the arena got built, but sometimes the bullying has got to stop.

[Conan71]

All of them?  Doesnt sound reasonable.  How about we start 3 months ago...


TransCanada had spent the last six years "bullying" landowners into signing away the rights to their land, but a group of about 100 is prepared to continue fighting.  Crumly said her family first heard from TransCanada when a company representative called at 9:30 p.m. a few years ago to tell them that the planned route would go through their land. At the time, she said, TransCanada made them an offer that was less than the price of a set of tires for an irrigation rig.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-keystone-land-2015-0120-story.html

Or you could just hit the "back" button on your browser...

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=18662.msg254809#msg254809

Arthur Judge, a Wood County deputy sheriff, admitted to Texas landowner Susan Scott that TransCanada was paying the police by the hour to work private security details. "He was patrolling the easement on my farm and he informed me that his mandate was to arrest anyone at anytime that sets foot on the easement," attests Ms. Scott. "The officer also demanded that I show ID or he would arrest me, all this while I was standing on my own private property in the middle of the woods. TransCanada is ordering police to arrest me just for trying to take a walk across my own farm."

"The main goal of corporations working in this way is to try to have a small group of activists get hammered with serious charges so the community will be afraid to stand up and protest"
http://www.seattletimes.com/news/big-oils-fight-for-keystone-xl-includes-tracking-critics-activists/




In Oklahoma, for instance, undercover police officers infiltrated a group of protesters, preempting a planned demonstration at a TransCanada storage facility, according to a police report obtained by Bloomberg News.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-24/on-terror-alert-inside-big-oil-s-fight-to-build-keystone

Still no evidence of scores of people who lost their farms to Keystone XL.

[sauerkraut]

Fracking and drilling help us break away from the OPEC strangle hold. I'm a strong supporter of drilling for our own oil and gas. I also favor coal one of our most abundant natural  resources. 

[AquaMan]

Fracking and drilling help us break away from the OPEC strangle hold. I'm a strong supporter of drilling for our own oil and gas. I also favor coal one of our most abundant natural  resources.  

Once again. Consider doing some research on the subject or listen to some different media sources. We are not in a strangle hold and haven't been for some time. We have what is called a "surplus" of supply in both oil and gas. Coal is rapidly declining in importance (you should invest heavily in it). Electric and solar are gaining in importance (best stay away from that Tesla stock).

Try Newsweek, Huffington, Kiplinger Report or the Coronets and Life magazines in your basement.

note. for those who aren't aware of my snide personality...several parts of that post were sarcasm and insider jokes. Coronet went out of business after failing to acknowledge the reality of the post war economics. They predicted Dewey would beat Truman based on phone polling. Turns out only the wealthy had phones at that time. Sauer simply lives in a world that ignores reality.

[DolfanBob]

Well Duh!

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/governor-s-office-oklahoma-geological-survey-acknowledge-disposal-wells-likely/article_8f6203fd-c7a9-5d38-a0b1-ab020c655d86.html

[heironymouspasparagus]

Once again. Consider doing some research on the subject or listen to some different media sources. We are not in a strangle hold and haven't been for some time. We have what is called a "surplus" of supply in both oil and gas. Coal is rapidly declining in importance (you should invest heavily in it). Electric and solar are gaining in importance (best stay away from that Tesla stock).

Try Newsweek, Huffington, Kiplinger Report or the Coronets and Life magazines in your basement.

Tesla is in the final installation stages of a supercharger station in Perry, OK.  Took some pictures the other day and it is very close to opening.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Fracking and drilling help us break away from the OPEC strangle hold. I'm a strong supporter of drilling for our own oil and gas. I also favor coal one of our most abundant natural  resources. 

I'm sure you are and do.  It's the way you are...

[cynical]

I missed this comment or I would have replied earlier.

Oil and gas pipeline companies have the power of eminent domain in most states. The concept of "public use" is pretty broadly applied. The power of eminent domain is supposed to be limited to public utilities, but any company affiliated with a public utility appears to get a free ride.

A couple of judges in Nebraska drew the line at the Keystone pipeline, though, and entered a temporary restraining order against use of eminent domain by the Canadian company that would own the pipeline. News reports failed to shed much light about the legal issues there, but there seems to be concern that that condemnor was a foreign corporation. The Washington Post reported that the Nebraska legislature had earlier passed a bill allowing the Governor to approve the pipeline. The constitutionality of that law is in question. The company spokesman implied that the power of eminent domain is always available to establish corridors for the safe transportation of "necessary commodities" such as food, oil, gas, and power. As far as I can tell, the case is pending before the Nebraska Supreme Court. I think there were some 90 landowners objecting to the pipeline using their land, along with some Indian tribes. A landowner quoted in one article caught the issue pretty well. She said "We understand public use. What we don't understand is the taking of private land simply for corporate profit."

Until the Nebraska Supreme Court rules, the general rule remains that eminent domain can be used to take private property for the laying of oil and gas pipelines.

Do you have links to all these farms lost?

You do realize the farmers would have been paid very good money for that 50 to 100' wide ROW across their property, right?  It's not like it would have been lost by eminent domain.

[patric]

God we provide so much fodder for this show:

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/be7rjx/shakes-on-a-plain---secret-agent-can

[Townsend]

God we provide so much fodder for this show:

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/be7rjx/shakes-on-a-plain---secret-agent-can

Oklahoma, where being in an industry's pocket can be obvious as Hell and it's no big deal.

Oklahoma House's Top Democrat Decries Loss of Local Control

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/oklahoma-houses-top-democrat-decries-loss-local-control

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — The Oklahoma House's top Democrat says his caucus was disappointed by passage of a Republican-backed bill that prohibits cities and towns from regulating oil and natural gas drilling operations.

House Democrat Leader Scott Inman of Del City said Thursday that members of the House minority caucus believe local communities and their leaders should have authority to regulate the drilling operations in their areas.

The House passed the bill on Wednesday by a vote of 64-32 that was largely along party lines. The bill's author, Republican House Speaker Jeff Hickman of Fairview, says a hodgepodge of local regulations involving oil and gas drilling had created a patchwork of guidelines that were difficult for oil and gas operators to follow.

Inman opposed the bill and says it's a disservice to Oklahomans.