Shootings at The Ministry of Sound.

[deinstein]

Thanks for clearing that up, you make valid points. I appreciate hearing the side from a TPD point of view.

[Conan71]

Chatting with one of my cop buddies the other night, he said that running Kitchell out of town would stop a lot of the crap we've seen over the years.

He said Kitchell has been on the radar scope for a number of years, let's just he's just been real careful with his personal stuff.

[iplaw]

quote:
When someone wants to shoot someone, the last thing they give a damn about is what exactly the law is...that is the most moot point.

I think the correct usage is "the mooterist point."

[patric]

Odd thing about kids and bars, in many (if not most) states, minors are allowed to accompany their parents/guardians/responsible adult into a bar.

The difference is it's not a bar targeted for kids.  It might make more sense to follow their lead and strictly prohibit the "Joe Camel" situation we have with dangling the forbidden fruit without having a responsible party present.

[Hookey]

i have been to several of Kitchells Club and i have not been able to last more than 5 minutes in most of the clubs with out a bouncer starting a fight with me of one of my friends and the ones i was able to stay more than 5 minutes i meet KIDS and yes i am stressing KIDS 11-13 year old inside with their parents so drunk they could not walk so i hope that Kitchell will finally get closed down for good.

[tulsa1603]

quote:Originally posted by Hookey

i have been to several of Kitchells Club and i have not been able to last more than 5 minutes in most of the clubs with out a bouncer starting a fight with me of one of my friends and the ones i was able to stay more than 5 minutes i meet KIDS and yes i am stressing KIDS 11-13 year old inside with their parents so drunk they could not walk so i hope that Kitchell will finally get closed down for good.

The bouncers at his clubs are dangerous and scary.  I don't go to clubs very often, and the last time I went to one of his clubs was the Voodoo Room.  This was probably 3 or 4 years ago.  After I left the club (because the whole place was a smoky nasty cesspool), I was waiting on the sidewalk out front for a friend to bring the car around, and I absent mindedly leaned my hand on a pickup truck parked along the curb.  A bouncer came over and screamed in my ear to get my "f--ing hand off that truck" and I obliged.  He kept making comments to me about how he would kick my donkey, etc.  If you met me, you'd know that I'm not any kind of troublemaker, I'm a quiet, clean cut person.  I was in complete shock.  I never went back. Obviously a case of roid rage. []

After the young guy was killed in the parking garage across the street, the idea that a bouncer might have done it made tons of sense to me.

The older I get, the more I turn into a 80 year old woman who thinks nightclubs are dens of sin.  []

[D]

I've often heard that the best bouncers work at the strip clubs....not that I would know. [8D]

[Hookey]

quote:Originally posted by tulsa1603

quote:Originally posted by Hookey

i have been to several of Kitchells Club and i have not been able to last more than 5 minutes in most of the clubs with out a bouncer starting a fight with me of one of my friends and the ones i was able to stay more than 5 minutes i meet KIDS and yes i am stressing KIDS 11-13 year old inside with their parents so drunk they could not walk so i hope that Kitchell will finally get closed down for good.

The bouncers at his clubs are dangerous and scary.  I don't go to clubs very often, and the last time I went to one of his clubs was the Voodoo Room.  This was probably 3 or 4 years ago.  After I left the club (because the whole place was a smoky nasty cesspool), I was waiting on the sidewalk out front for a friend to bring the car around, and I absent mindedly leaned my hand on a pickup truck parked along the curb.  A bouncer came over and screamed in my ear to get my "f--ing hand off that truck" and I obliged.  He kept making comments to me about how he would kick my donkey, etc.  If you met me, you'd know that I'm not any kind of troublemaker, I'm a quiet, clean cut person.  I was in complete shock.  I never went back. Obviously a case of roid rage. []

After the young guy was killed in the parking garage across the street, the idea that a bouncer might have done it made tons of sense to me.

The older I get, the more I turn into a 80 year old woman who thinks nightclubs are dens of sin.  []

not all clubs are bad there are so goods one out there i used to work at a club her in tulsa called the Caravan Cattle Co. and its was by far the best club i have been to in tulsa when i started there the Manager asked me if i knew the difference between bouncers and Security of course being young and dumb i said no and he explained to me that Bouncers create problems and Security Solves problems and at the Caravan they had Security. it was clean and safe a great fun place to go

[USRufnex]

wow.

Sounds like the same "Caravan" from a couple of decades ago where some of my classmates at Hale HS used to go (parents forbid me from going)... guess that place has been around forever...

You know, this isn't rocket science here.
They're called color-coded HOSPITAL STRENGTH WRISTBANDS and they've been around for a long time... easier to just saw off your hand than try to pry those things off your wrists...

So, what kind of ID does a 13 year-old show at the door?... a library card???  []  

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hookey



not all clubs are bad there are so goods one out there i used to work at a club her in tulsa called the Caravan Cattle Co. and its was by far the best club i have been to in tulsa when i started there the Manager asked me if i knew the difference between bouncers and Security of course being young and dumb i said no and he explained to me that Bouncers create problems and Security Solves problems and at the Caravan they had Security. it was clean and safe a great fun place to go

The Caravan was never owned by Kitchell.  Therein lies the biggest difference.  

At least these days, the Caravan's music selection doesn't seem to fit the demographic of the chronic trouble-makers.  You might see an occasional fist-fight between a couple of drunk cowboys, but not people firing their 9mm inside.

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Hookey



not all clubs are bad there are so goods one out there i used to work at a club her in tulsa called the Caravan Cattle Co. and its was by far the best club i have been to in tulsa when i started there the Manager asked me if i knew the difference between bouncers and Security of course being young and dumb i said no and he explained to me that Bouncers create problems and Security Solves problems and at the Caravan they had Security. it was clean and safe a great fun place to go

The Caravan was never owned by Kitchell.  Therein lies the biggest difference.  

At least these days, the Caravan's music selection doesn't seem to fit the demographic of the chronic trouble-makers.  You might see an occasional fist-fight between a couple of drunk cowboys, but not people firing their 9mm inside.

I would agree with Conan, I've promoted and organised two nights at a club, been the trustee of a club, done some djing and know people in the club scene. The most important thing as far as I was concerned was the music.

The two nights I ran never had any trouble in over four years, I didn't even need security and there were no incidents. On those nights we played cheese, pop, dance and indie.

The club I was a trustee for had a small secondary room. In it they played garage, r'n'b and rap. The venue was almost shut down because of that room. People were dealing drugs in it, there were huge fights inside and outside. People were clubbed with chair legs. We had brilliant security at the club, but there is only so many places they could be at one time. The other trustees eventually agreed to change the music policy, we banned r'n'b and rap and the problem ended over night.

I guess my point is if you have the right music that doesn't attract the wrong crowd you don't have a problem.

[patric]

An arrest:

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=76b9db6e-6849-4755-abe2-b4986cd06d9d

[Conan71]

Oh darn, I was hoping to see Kitchell's smug face in the link.

[jdb]

Again, I don't buy it. Noone wants the heat on their backs - not even Mr. K - because it's bad for the bottom line.

IMO, the prime reason for certain locations, Goodfellows and M.O.S specifcally, alluded to here but dropped, is the high occup.

Simply, the odds of pulling a trigger in a tiny joint, where you can't vanish into a huge crowd and get away with it, suck.

Fear mongering "News" coverage for ratings: telling all the bad-donkey wannbies where all the bad-donkey's have been busting it up doesn't help either - it's more like a show bill.

Suppose that's why I stuffed a lawnchair in my closet and started hanging out in there when I choose to enjoy a refreshing, adult beverage.

Better music too, jdb