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February 23, 2020, 07:38:02 am
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 91 
 on: February 10, 2020, 08:25:22 pm 
Started by Tulsan - Last post by Tulsan
I wonder where the workers' comp courts and other state offices will go. Would there be room in the new county building across from the courthouse to lease to the state?

Wondering same thing. Maybe the courts stay downtown but the other services go somewhere with cheaper rent and more parking? Or could they build a new state offices complex?

 92 
 on: February 10, 2020, 07:42:54 pm 
Started by Tulsan - Last post by DowntownDan
I wonder where the workers' comp courts and other state offices will go. Would there be room in the new county building across from the courthouse to lease to the state?

 93 
 on: February 10, 2020, 06:10:12 pm 
Started by patric - Last post by Tulsan
In addition to Gilcrease proper, make a complimentary American Music Archive on grounds housing Dylan and add to that collection - Johnny Cash, etc.  Amphitheater overlooking the Osage for concerts - New National Home of OKLAHOMA replacing Discoveryland? Make it a destination for families, Route 66 travelers --- a bucket list "must see."  I know it's easy to have ideas using other people's money.  Just seems like the opportunity many in Tulsa have been reaching for is right before our eyes.    

This is a very good idea.

 94 
 on: February 10, 2020, 05:22:35 pm 
Started by Tulsan - Last post by DTowner
The funding is in the Trump Administrationís proposed budget, so it is not a done deal.  Nonetheless, it is a good sign that something positive could happen on that side of downtown.

 95 
 on: February 10, 2020, 05:15:56 pm 
Started by Conan71 - Last post by DTowner
Given the price points and the target market, H&M at Woodland Hills makes a lot more sense than Utica Sq.

Besides, that leaves hope for a ZARA at Utica Sq.

 96 
 on: February 10, 2020, 05:12:32 pm 
Started by patric - Last post by TulsaBeMore
Relax; this is a good thing. Gilcrease is underwhelming at best. At worst itís kind of a dump. So this makes sense. The original plan was lipstick on a pig. A brand new building has the potential to be spectacular.

And if youíre disappointed in the scope/square footage, recognize that theyíre chasing money here.

You donít think maybe this story was a trial balloon floated to hook a bigger donation?


Of course, I do.  That's why I wrote the damn paragraph I did and placed similar elsewhere.  You don't think they wanted to illicit responses from regular Tulsans? --- that in order for bigger donations to come, people may want to express the base plan should be amplified so that they can point to excitement?      

 97 
 on: February 10, 2020, 05:10:49 pm 
Started by patric - Last post by DTowner
This late revelation calls into serious question the level of vetting that was done before this project made it on the list. I get that there is only so much money that can be spent to put together a proposal, but this was one of if not the most expensive project in the package.  The final product may be much nicer than tinkering with and adding on to the old building, but tearing down the existing museum and building a smaller one (even if it will ultimately have more exhibit space) is not what voters were promised.  Under delivering is how you break the publicís trust and it will be remembered the next time the city comes to the voters with its hand out.

 98 
 on: February 10, 2020, 05:06:55 pm 
Started by patric - Last post by TulsaBeMore
In addition to Gilcrease proper, make a complimentary American Music Archive on grounds housing Dylan and add to that collection - Johnny Cash, etc.  Amphitheater overlooking the Osage for concerts - New National Home of OKLAHOMA replacing Discoveryland? Make it a destination for families, Route 66 travelers --- a bucket list "must see."  I know it's easy to have ideas using other people's money.  Just seems like the opportunity many in Tulsa have been reaching for is right before our eyes.    

 99 
 on: February 10, 2020, 05:03:18 pm 
Started by patric - Last post by Tulsan
Relax; this is a good thing. Gilcrease is underwhelming at best. At worst itís kind of a dump. So this makes sense. The original plan was lipstick on a pig. A brand new building has the potential to be spectacular.

And if youíre disappointed in the scope/square footage, recognize that theyíre chasing money here.

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Bynum said that although the city intends to seek additional private funding, the available dollars are all thatís needed to build an exceptional museum.

ďIf not a dime comes in, we can build a fantastic museum with more exhibit space than exists right now for the budget that we have,Ē he said.

You donít think maybe this story was a trial balloon floated to hook a bigger donation?

 100 
 on: February 10, 2020, 04:46:45 pm 
Started by patric - Last post by TulsaBeMore
On the face of it, I'm disappointed.  Crystal Bridges to the east is 217,000sf.  The OKC National Cowboy HoF Museum is 220,000sf.  We're told Gilcrease has THE MOST SIGNIFICANT/MEANINGFUL collection of art of the creation/heritage of America IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.  And we're talking 89,000sf with a very reputable journeyman architecture firm at the helm.  IF THERE IS NOWHERE ON EARTH YOU CAN EXPERIENCE THIS ART + Bob Dylan Archive why would it not get Gathering Place treatment?  It's about art --- they have a 450-acre canvas to paint this on --- think Getty Center.  Gathering Place is spectacular, but there are other parks across the country.  Maggy Daly in Chicago.  Scissortail in OKC, etc.  Gathering Place may be best, but there is plenty of competition and how far are people going to come to go to Gathering Place?  100, 200 miles?  Your best chance to bring in new money is to exploit something that only you have --- that if you wanted to see, this is the only place on earth - cannot be replicated.  Why not double or triple the fundraising, hire an iconic architect to build an iconic facility that itself would be art and draw visitors (Crystal Bridges, BOK Center).  Put up "The American" statute on the property.  Hire a world renowned landscape architect to create grounds complimenting nearby Botanic Garden.  Make it a national landmark.  Right now, Walmart covers admission to Crystal Bridges for perpetuity. QuikTrip?  Williams? ONEOK?   We have a lot of things that a lot of other cities have --- even if done better. We've become a "me too" city.  Arenas, Food Halls, etc.  All great, all done elsewhere first.  I've been led to believe the Gilcrease collection is unique in all the world.  Bob Dylan and maybe other American music archive collections could find an iconic home.  Go big here. Make it the national landmark it could be.  Widen Gilcrease Road and over-landscape it all the way up...  Also inspire others to contribute their collections.  They say Gilcrease has 10-12,000 pieces, many irreplaceable.  Crystal Bridges has 2,500 not nearly as significant historically in total, yet they get multiple time more visitors. PR and Placemaking! Build a Gilcrease the art can be proud of --- one that people take notice of whether they mean to or not.  What better do we have to hang our hat on?               

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