KTUL /CH 8 / COAL MINES/21-31-HARV TO YALE

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Im calling you out

I like channel 2

Why? Do you ask them the same questions you ask Tulsa Now?

[EricP]

quote:Originally posted by Im calling you out

I like channel 2

I like kitties!

[EricP]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

um....sounds like it is time to do some horizontal drilling.  and I know just the company to do it.

Burns slant drilling? []

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I own a house in that area.  So do my neighbors.  No problems with gas smell.  Death from gas.  Or my house shifting in the slightest.

Too bad it was an open put. When I read the headline I was going to start digging down tonight to find myself a secret storage area below my house.

I don't think the area they are talking about extends to our side of the B.A.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

I wonder if my hero, oops I meant Cannon Fodder, will start begging for a government bail out if problems start to occur or he will stay true to his neocon moron values?

I'm confident you have no idea what my positions are in spite of my repeated clarifications.

I'm not against government assistance.  I just think it is usually inappropriate.  For instance, in New Orleans many of the people below sea level declined flood insurance because the premiums were too high - too damn bad.  That would be like rejecting wind or hail insurance in Oklahoma and then holding out your hand when a storm came up.  It encourages poor decisions, it punishes those who made proper choices (and spent money on insurance), and publicly subsidizes stupidity.

If the government had something to do with the coal mine (that may or may not be) under my home or they negligently cleared or covered up it's existence they should pay like anyone else.  If not, and it is properly disclosed, sealed, filled or whatever - then home owners should be on their own insurance/expense.  Government is not a panacea nor a replacement for companies or individuals watching out for themselves.

There are also instances in which government can act more efficiently than the private sector or needs to respond for the good of the nation - for security, economics, or other reasons.  Situations where the individual payer mechanism will not work (class public street light as a simple example).  It would seem building your house in a stupid area or under insuring it would not qualify.

And furthermore, my principles do not preclude me from utilizing a system for my advantage.  Even if the system is flawed.  If the government is dumb enough to reward my stupidity or encourages me to make negligent choices and will cover the consequences of that action, I'll play along.  Otherwise I would be precluded from a litany of tax breaks, mortgage and student loan incentives and on and on.  I may as well take advantage of the flaws where I can to offset the flaws elsewhere that punish me on a regular basis.

Which is why government needs to be the grown up and tell people they aren't going to get handouts for bad choices.  If you argue that I'm a moron (thanks for the insult by the way) for believing that and that government should hand out cash anytime someone loses it - then our opinions are completely irreconcilable.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:cannon_fodder's post as read by a liberal

New Orleans ... too damn bad. ... stupidity.

You monster!!!!

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by Double A

I wonder if my hero, oops I meant Cannon Fodder, will start begging for a government bail out if problems start to occur or he will stay true to his neocon moron values?

I'm confident you have no idea what my positions are in spite of my repeated clarifications.

I'm not against government assistance.  I just think it is usually inappropriate.  For instance, in New Orleans many of the people below sea level declined flood insurance because the premiums were too high - too damn bad.  That would be like rejecting wind or hail insurance in Oklahoma and then holding out your hand when a storm came up.  It encourages poor decisions, it punishes those who made proper choices (and spent money on insurance), and publicly subsidizes stupidity.

If the government had something to do with the coal mine (that may or may not be) under my home or they negligently cleared or covered up it's existence they should pay like anyone else.  If not, and it is properly disclosed, sealed, filled or whatever - then home owners should be on their own insurance/expense.  Government is not a panacea nor a replacement for companies or individuals watching out for themselves.

There are also instances in which government can act more efficiently than the private sector or needs to respond for the good of the nation - for security, economics, or other reasons.  Situations where the individual payer mechanism will not work (class public street light as a simple example).  It would seem building your house in a stupid area or under insuring it would not qualify.

And furthermore, my principles do not preclude me from utilizing a system for my advantage.  Even if the system is flawed.  If the government is dumb enough to reward my stupidity or encourages me to make negligent choices and will cover the consequences of that action, I'll play along.  Otherwise I would be precluded from a litany of tax breaks, mortgage and student loan incentives and on and on.  I may as well take advantage of the flaws where I can to offset the flaws elsewhere that punish me on a regular basis.

Which is why government needs to be the grown up and tell people they aren't going to get handouts for bad choices.  If you argue that I'm a moron (thanks for the insult by the way) for believing that and that government should hand out cash anytime someone loses it - then our opinions are completely irreconcilable.

I always knew you were a hypocrite. If you're gonna talk the talk, you should really walk the walk.

Typical Joe Republican.

   Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
   All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

   In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
   Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor. Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune. It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression. Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university. Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

[cannon_fodder]

How does that make my a hypocrite?

I said think the government shouldn't give handouts.  I never said people shouldn't take them if offered.  There is a big difference between the two even if you can't figure it out.  My position is clear, reasoned and honest, nothing more.

You, on the other hand - advocate for higher taxes and more government handouts.  Shall I assume you pay extra taxes, stick 2 stamps on your mail, and contributing any refunds/credits to your favorite government institution?  Of course not, assuming that would be silly or a feeble attempt at making a point.

Also note that you have twice insulted me this thread yet, I have abstained from calling you any names in kind. And your "a day in the life" thing is not only not applicable (I even stated above that many public services are a proper roll of government) it has been gone over and over repeatedly.  I won't bother posting the response nor the "day in the life of a liberal" that prompted it in the first place.

Do you have anything of substance or just personal attacks, assumptions, misstatements and recycled blurbs off the internet?

[EricP]

lol.. Double A, nominee for best post of the year. Cannon Fodder, I'm sure the liberal version is great too.. so that should teach us that a BLEND OF BOTH is the proper mix. Yin and yang.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I own a house in that area.  So do my neighbors.  No problems with gas smell.  Death from gas.  Or my house shifting in the slightest.

Too bad it was an open put. When I read the headline I was going to start digging down tonight to find myself a secret storage area below my house.

I don't think the area they are talking about extends to our side of the B.A.

I don't know which side of BA you live on but it closely follows 15th to 31st and Pittsburgh to near Sheridan. I think the news showed some maps with strips sprinkled through that area. That includes north of the BA at 31st. I read about it when I owned a home over there 30years ago and it is interesting to know. At the time of those strips much of old Tulsa homes and factories were burning coal for heat but we're not talking abandoned Zink mines here.

[NellieBly]

I didn't know you could buy a separate insurance policy for wind and hail? How much does it cost? Is there a wind and hail map to find out if I might be at risk?

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

I didn't know you could buy a separate insurance policy for wind and hail? How much does it cost? Is there a wind and hail map to find out if I might be at risk?

Is your home located below the sky?

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I own a house in that area.  So do my neighbors.  No problems with gas smell.  Death from gas.  Or my house shifting in the slightest.

Too bad it was an open put. When I read the headline I was going to start digging down tonight to find myself a secret storage area below my house.

I don't think the area they are talking about extends to our side of the B.A.

I don't know which side of BA you live on but it closely follows 15th to 31st and Pittsburgh to near Sheridan. I think the news showed some maps with strips sprinkled through that area. That includes north of the BA at 31st. I read about it when I owned a home over there 30years ago and it is interesting to know. At the time of those strips much of old Tulsa homes and factories were burning coal for heat but we're not talking abandoned Zink mines here.

S of BA, West of Pittsburgh.

[rwarn17588]

Double A wrote:

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

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Nice bit of plagiarism, DoubleA. I see that you and David Arnett share notes.

If you don't believe me, look at this:

http://tinyurl.com/ywpjk6

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Double A wrote:

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

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Nice bit of plagiarism, DoubleA. I see that you and David Arnett share notes.

If you don't believe me, look at this:

http://tinyurl.com/ywpjk6

Yeah, but I don't claim any journalistic integrity. Look a little harder and I'm sure you can find plenty of other examples.