Traffic Ticket

[Rowdy]

WELL LOOKY HERE.  I went back to the scene to take more pictures and look what the city put up that wasn't there yesterday. Click on the first pic to blow it up and see up close what it was like yesterday.

Yesterday when cited:




TODAY:



This better be dismissed.  I have a picture of Wednesday's paper along with it in the pic on the day of citation and then the pic showing HOW THE STREET IS SUPPOSED TO BE MARKED.

[Wilbur]

I once called the Mayors Action Line, due to a police cruiser going about 20 mph over the limit with no warning lights on. I jotted down the cruiser number -- and reported it. I received a call from the Chief or whoever was over the South Precinct about a week later. He told me that they could verify that they had a cruiser on the road at that time with that vehicle # that I reported. But I would have to come down to the precinct and visually identify the patrolman. I explained that it was dark outside and the patrolman zoomed by me. He then proceeded to say that they can't do anything about it since I couldn't visually identify their cop.

You mean the police get the same presumption of innocence just like everyone else?  And the police have to be identified just like everyone else?  See how fair the criminal justice system is.  It's the same for everyone.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by DScott28604

I really, REALLY dislike Tulsa cops.  Most of the things they do (traffic) do nothing to either serve OR protect the citizens of Tulsa; rather, they act as trolls under bridges who collect tolls as people pass.

[}:)]  tis might have to become my new signature

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

WELL LOOKY HERE.  I went back to the scene to take more pictures and look what the city put up that wasn't there yesterday. Click on the first pic to blow it up and see up close what it was like yesterday.

Yesterday when cited:




TODAY:



This better be dismissed.  I have a picture of Wednesday's paper along with it in the pic on the day of citation and then the pic showing HOW THE STREET IS SUPPOSED TO BE MARKED.

oh wow, if you dont get out of that ticket somebody has some explaining to do.

and to the people advocating these frivolous tickets.  I find it hard to support these toll trolls while 71st/S 101st e ave intersection is constantly blocked by mother****ers who don't know to NOT enter an unclear intersection.  when they start enforcing that THEN I'll be a little more supportive.

[Hawkins]

Those of you who have lived or driven any amount of time in Dallas can appreciate the culture shock that is experienced between the way things are 'down there' to here in Tulsa.

Check this out-

What if a TPD officer... no wait, even better, what if a TPD motorcycle officer had to work a couple of shifts in downtown Dallas!

LOL, that would be so fun see, I'd buy a movie ticket for it. This could be the next great thing in reality TV!

Dallas driver: Uh, why did you pull me over, officer?

TPD Officer: Because you entered an intersection AFTER the yellow light turned red.

Dallas driver: Dude, what are you talking about? I was only the 4th car thru that yellow light. So what if it turned red?

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

Those of you who have lived or driven any amount of time in Dallas can appreciate the culture shock that is experienced between the way things are 'down there' to here in Tulsa.

Check this out-

What if a TPD officer... no wait, even better, what if a TPD motorcycle officer had to work a couple of shifts in downtown Dallas!

LOL, that would be so fun see, I'd buy a movie ticket for it. This could be the next great thing in reality TV!

Dallas driver: Uh, why did you pull me over, officer?

TPD Officer: Because you entered an intersection AFTER the yellow light turned red.

Dallas driver: Dude, what are you talking about? I was only the 4th car thru that yellow light. So what if it turned red?

actually, that would be a great reality series.  take big city cops and put them in small towns and vice versa.

I predict the small town cops would get shot or beat up for some of the stuff they try to do in the big city though.


anyways, for my latest observation of stupid tactics, the other day on 169 I saw a TPD pull up onto the highway from 61st st and put his flashers on.  He keeps moving along, roughly 65 or so.  The traffic unfortunate enough to get caught behind him immediately slows down from a safe flow of 70-75 to a traffic clogging 65.  So then what does this guy do?  He turns off at 71st st.  What did this accomplish?  was this some sort of twisted traffic calming technique?  because if it is it did nothing but back traffic up.  And if the guy turned on his flashers just so he could get down to the next exit (he turned them off) faster that is an abuse of power.

[sauerkraut]

Hey with that photo of that speedlimet sign and newspaper you did a very smart thing. I think you may have a good chance to beat that ticket. It's worth a shot. The city never would think that someone whould take a photo like that. However, in todays world they could claim that the photo was computer doctored.... 25mph is far too low for that road anyhow IMO, there is not much around except open fields.

[Rowdy]

I went to the courthouse today.  There was no option to speak to anyone.  I have a trial date in a few weeks set up.  A lawyer wants 500 bucks, so I think I should do this myself.

I have been racking my brain trying to figure out if there is any way they can charge me with the ticket but I don't see how.  My court paper says to bring any documents or pictures that would support my case so I don't see them not accepting these pictures as evidence.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

I went to the courthouse today.  There was no option to speak to anyone.  I have a trial date in a few weeks set up.  A lawyer wants 500 bucks, so I think I should do this myself.

I have been racking my brain trying to figure out if there is any way they can charge me with the ticket but I don't see how.  My court paper says to bring any documents or pictures that would support my case so I don't see them not accepting these pictures as evidence.

Assuming your court date says to be there at 2pm (most traffic trials are), arrive a few minutes early and you will get a chance to speak to the assistant city prosecutor.  I'm confident he/she will take you 'evidence' into consideration before deciding to proceed.

[Rowdy]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

I went to the courthouse today.  There was no option to speak to anyone.  I have a trial date in a few weeks set up.  A lawyer wants 500 bucks, so I think I should do this myself.

I have been racking my brain trying to figure out if there is any way they can charge me with the ticket but I don't see how.  My court paper says to bring any documents or pictures that would support my case so I don't see them not accepting these pictures as evidence.

Assuming your court date says to be there at 2pm (most traffic trials are), arrive a few minutes early and you will get a chance to speak to the assistant city prosecutor.  I'm confident he/she will take you 'evidence' into consideration before deciding to proceed.

Yes, it is at 2pm.  How many other people will be in there? 5-20?  So everyone else will hear my case too-grreeatttt.  []

I just don't see how I can talk beforehand to the prosecutor.  It's not like they are going to go around and ask me why I'm there.  What does being early have to do with it besides the obvious start time of 2pm?

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

I went to the courthouse today.  There was no option to speak to anyone.  I have a trial date in a few weeks set up.  A lawyer wants 500 bucks, so I think I should do this myself.

I have been racking my brain trying to figure out if there is any way they can charge me with the ticket but I don't see how.  My court paper says to bring any documents or pictures that would support my case so I don't see them not accepting these pictures as evidence.

Assuming your court date says to be there at 2pm (most traffic trials are), arrive a few minutes early and you will get a chance to speak to the assistant city prosecutor.  I'm confident he/she will take you 'evidence' into consideration before deciding to proceed.

Yes, it is at 2pm.  How many other people will be in there? 5-20?  So everyone else will hear my case too-grreeatttt.  []

I just don't see how I can talk beforehand to the prosecutor.  It's not like they are going to go around and ask me why I'm there.  What does being early have to do with it besides the obvious start time of 2pm?

As to how many people will be there, any place from 5 to 20 or more, it just depends how many people are on the docket for that day in that court room.  No good way to know.  When you get to your court room, hanging outside the door will be a list of names of people who are on the docket.  Names are listed in alphabetical order.

And actually, the prosecutor will seek you out (and all other defendants) prior to the start of court.  This will give the court a good idea how many potential trials there will be.  Don't be surprised how many people make a deal with the prosecutor to avoid a trial.  Your talk with him/her will be very informal, probably out in the hall, and that will be your chance to show him your pictures.

And yes, the Judge will call all the names on the docket to ensure you are there.  Make sure you are present in court when the docket gets called, otherwise a bench warrant gets issued for your arrest for fail to appear.  The Judges usually don't call the docket until 2:15, which gives people a chance to find a parking spot and the court room.

[Rowdy]

Thanks for your help.  All I need now is to find the regulation or ordinance that shows me what ODOT or whoever has to abide by when lowering a speed limit temporarily due to construction or other issues.  

Something to the effect of, "posted sign should be within 200 feet of any intersection..." or something to that nature.  I went all over the net but only found the cityoftulsa.org rules and ordinances that WE as citizens are to follow but I can't find anything else.  Can someone point me in the right direction?

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

Thanks for your help.  All I need now is to find the regulation or ordinance that shows me what ODOT or whoever has to abide by when lowering a speed limit temporarily due to construction or other issues.  

Something to the effect of, "posted sign should be within 200 feet of any intersection..." or something to that nature.  I went all over the net but only found the cityoftulsa.org rules and ordinances that WE as citizens are to follow but I can't find anything else.  Can someone point me in the right direction?

You can go to www.oscn.net.  They are posted within Title 47.  In short, you can't lower the speed limit more then six times per mile nor more then 10 miles-per-hour at a time.

[cannon_fodder]

PSA:

Yesterday on highway 11 Tulsa police car "P2006" passed me.  I was probably going 70 when he blew by, I got up to 85 and he was still pulling away.  So I whipped out my video phone and took some video of my speed-o-meter and then the cop pulling away.  I tried to catch up but didnt want to go over 90.

I assumed he was going to the cop shop off of 36st North so I headed that way and caught up with him as he was pulling in.  When he saw me turn in behind him he exited the lot and got back on the highway.

As much as I would like to, I believe police are too protective of their own to do anything about this.  More trouble for me than a likelihood that anything would get done.  At the same time, screw that... 25 over could mean the loss of a license for anyone else.  Unless its a cop near shift change and wanting to get home.

Oh yeah, for bonus points... he was on a cell phone.

[sgrizzle]

Oh yeah, noticed they put a sign up exactly where it was missing when rowdy drove by.