Traffic Ticket

[Breadburner]

I was going to tell you all of what you experienced...But you seemed so head strong I figured it was better if you learned your lesson......

[Conan71]

I hate that you got screwed over Rowdy.  However, not all that surprising how it came out.

[Rowdy]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

I was going to tell you all of what you experienced...But you seemed so head strong I figured it was better if you learned your lesson......

huh?

[Rowdy]

I don't care about odds if that is what you are pointing towards.  My being "headstrong" was nothing more than a civilian who was wrongly convicted of a citation and was trying to prove my innocence. Now I have three years of 3 points on my record I think.

[Wilbur]

I wasn't in there to get out of a ticket, I was in there to keep my record clean, insurace from going up...

I believe if you will review state law, insurance companies are prohibited from raising your rates based on a municipal speeding tickets.

[colemandavid]

if you contest the ticket the odds are that the cop won't show up, and you will just get to walk away with n harm done. i have contested my way out of three speeding tickets, and never had to pay a single one. but the good thing about contesting is, even if the cop does show up you can't be charged more than the ticket charges. contesting is always the way to go.

[Rowdy]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

I wasn't in there to get out of a ticket, I was in there to keep my record clean, insurace from going up...

I believe if you will review state law, insurance companies are prohibited from raising your rates based on a municipal speeding tickets.

What?  I have never heard of that. All my life I have heard that any time you get a speeding ticket a certain amount over the limit, it can go on your record and it will be reported to the insurance company which in turn can raise your rates.  This is news to me.

[dbacks fan]

I give Rowdy credit for standing up for the principle that he believed was right and not being a sheep about it. He has the right to try and prove his side of the story. I feel bad for him that he lost, but he exercised his right to contest the ticket.

[Rowdy]

Thanks dbacks.  Good to see another 'Backs fan.[8D]

The girl before me was cited for a rolling stop.  She didn't fair well and came out of there bawling her eyes out.  She was also crying during her testimony.  

I think my trial lasted about an hour or longer.  Started at 215-her trial ended about 235 and then mine started and I got back to the car just a little before 4.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

I wasn't in there to get out of a ticket, I was in there to keep my record clean, insurace from going up...

I believe if you will review state law, insurance companies are prohibited from raising your rates based on a municipal speeding tickets.

What?  I have never heard of that. All my life I have heard that any time you get a speeding ticket a certain amount over the limit, it can go on your record and it will be reported to the insurance company which in turn can raise your rates.  This is news to me.

Check:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=391387
where insurance is prohibited from raising your rates based on a speeding ticket.

Check:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?id=82330&hits=674+662+596+586+496+238+226+162+152+65+
where the state is prohibited from putting certain speeding tickets on your driving record.

[sgrizzle]

Sorry to hear about your experience. I am really shocked and drive that intersection regularly. I'd swear under oath that there was no sign and my wife also said the same thing.

Sorry to hear it turned out that way.

[Rowdy]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

I wasn't in there to get out of a ticket, I was in there to keep my record clean, insurace from going up...

I believe if you will review state law, insurance companies are prohibited from raising your rates based on a municipal speeding tickets.

What?  I have never heard of that. All my life I have heard that any time you get a speeding ticket a certain amount over the limit, it can go on your record and it will be reported to the insurance company which in turn can raise your rates.  This is news to me.

Check:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=391387
where insurance is prohibited from raising your rates based on a speeding ticket.

Check:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?id=82330&hits=674+662+596+586+496+238+226+162+152+65+
where the state is prohibited from putting certain speeding tickets on your driving record.

This reflects any speeding done under 10mph. I was supposedly 19 over.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

I wasn't in there to get out of a ticket, I was in there to keep my record clean, insurace from going up...

I believe if you will review state law, insurance companies are prohibited from raising your rates based on a municipal speeding tickets.

What?  I have never heard of that. All my life I have heard that any time you get a speeding ticket a certain amount over the limit, it can go on your record and it will be reported to the insurance company which in turn can raise your rates.  This is news to me.

Check:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=391387
where insurance is prohibited from raising your rates based on a speeding ticket.

Check:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?id=82330&hits=674+662+596+586+496+238+226+162+152+65+
where the state is prohibited from putting certain speeding tickets on your driving record.

This reflects any speeding done under 10mph. I was supposedly 19 over.

If you were 19 over the posted speed limit, which was supposed to be 25, but was originally 40, then you were over the original posted speed limit as well.  Claiming you were speeding, yet being above the original posted speed limit, is still speeding, weather it was 19 mph over or 4 mph over.

I obviously wasn't at court, but if you claim the speed limit was never posted at 25, yet you are above the original posted speed limit of 40, you really don't give the court much room to find you not guilty.

The first statute talks about speed limits that were changed and someone being accused of speeding above the new limit but below the old limit.  If you are above both the new limit and the old limit, again, that won't apply to you.

[Rowdy]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

I wasn't in there to get out of a ticket, I was in there to keep my record clean, insurace from going up...

I believe if you will review state law, insurance companies are prohibited from raising your rates based on a municipal speeding tickets.

What?  I have never heard of that. All my life I have heard that any time you get a speeding ticket a certain amount over the limit, it can go on your record and it will be reported to the insurance company which in turn can raise your rates.  This is news to me.

Check:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=391387
where insurance is prohibited from raising your rates based on a speeding ticket.

Check:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/deliverdocument.asp?id=82330&hits=674+662+596+586+496+238+226+162+152+65+
where the state is prohibited from putting certain speeding tickets on your driving record.

This reflects any speeding done under 10mph. I was supposedly 19 over.

If you were 19 over the posted speed limit, which was supposed to be 25, but was originally 40, then you were over the original posted speed limit as well.  Claiming you were speeding, yet being above the original posted speed limit, is still speeding, weather it was 19 mph over or 4 mph over.

I obviously wasn't at court, but if you claim the speed limit was never posted at 25, yet you are above the original posted speed limit of 40, you really don't give the court much room to find you not guilty.

The first statute talks about speed limits that were changed and someone being accused of speeding above the new limit but below the old limit.  If you are above both the new limit and the old limit, again, that won't apply to you.

The normal speed limit was not even  
brought into question so that wasn't even a part of anyone's argument either on my end or the Prosecution. I would gladly take an excessive speed limit offense of 4mph over but I hardly see any Tulsa Police writing tickets for 4+ in a 40 zone on up anyway. I am sure it can happen, but it isn't the norm.

The points WILL go on my record. At first, I thought it was going to be three but when I went to the Oklahoma DMV, it says that anything under 25 over is 2 points.  I didn't plea bargain with the Prosecution so I wonder if I still have an opportunity to get those points off through traffic school.  I didn't think I could but the Oklahoma DMV website states, "You may also reduce your driving record by two points if you attend traffic school."

This leads me to believe that if you already HAVE two points, they can be reduced.  I will have to check into that and find out.

[Rowdy]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Sorry to hear about your experience. I am really shocked and drive that intersection regularly. I'd swear under oath that there was no sign and my wife also said the same thing.

Sorry to hear it turned out that way.

Thanks for your nice post.  Much appreciated and I wish I had you guys there to help.  Seeing that officer lie twice is tearing me up. I wonder if they sided with him because he is with the Specialized Division-who knows.  I find it even funnier that he states he cited me and handed me my ticket in the McDonald's parking lot when it was a quarter mile down the road where he actually pulled me over.  He told the judge it was McDonald's then he stated that is what he put on the ticket.  

Then the judge asked me if I had that on my same ticket.  As he asked, the officer stated he put down "mcd".  That was his nice "proof" that he pulled me over into McDonald's.  I guess since I didn't notice he put these almost illegible initials down, that I could not fight it unless I brought it up when I first received the ticket.
Here is my ticket scanned with the wonderfully-clear description that it was in a McDonald's parking lot.