Refinery Needs to Move!

[aoxamaxoa]

http://health.yahoo.com/news/166633

"Mining, smelting and petroleum production all produce this type of pollution, Coyle said, as can motor vehicle exhaust.

But while air pollution has been directly linked to respiratory disorders and heart disease, its role in lung cancer is still under debate."

Take out the refineries along the Arkansas. I don't care if they did just spend $75,000,000 on their facility.

Relocate them elsewhere. Our community would benefit visually and environmentally too.

[waterboy]

Pretty good stink yesterday in my area. Across the river east and south of the refineries. Bad for open houses. Several different smells.

I understand that Hersey Pa. smells like chocolate. Maybe we could trade them.

[Double A]

Duh.

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

http://health.yahoo.com/news/166633

"Mining, smelting and petroleum production all produce this type of pollution, Coyle said, as can motor vehicle exhaust.

But while air pollution has been directly linked to respiratory disorders and heart disease, its role in lung cancer is still under debate."

Take out the refineries along the Arkansas. I don't care if they did just spend $75,000,000 on their facility.

Relocate them elsewhere. Our community would benefit visually and environmentally too.

You are so right.  The old refineries need to go.  They are a source of cancer causing chemicals like benzene.  At least three different Tulsa neighborhoods, Brookside, Owen Park and West Tulsa have brought lawsuits against our refineries for hazardous emissions.  The EPA has also taken action against Tulsa's refineries.  We need leadership and a private public partnership to relocate the refineries.

[SXSW]

I have heard plans to construct a giant oil refinery in Cushing, where the major pipelines across the U.S. meet and where there is plenty of open land with few inhabitants.  That seems like a better place for the refineries than Tulsa, even if it does mean we lose a few hundred jobs.

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by SXSW

I have heard plans to construct a giant oil refinery in Cushing, where the major pipelines across the U.S. meet and where there is plenty of open land with few inhabitants.  That seems like a better place for the refineries than Tulsa, even if it does mean we lose a few hundred jobs.

Question,

Is there a way that the City of Tulsa could participate in the new refinery in Cushing and retain income that would be lost with the closing of the two refineries here in town?

[NellieBly]

If there is a refinery built in Cushing (a decade or more in the making) many Tulsa companies will benefit from it for years. Tulsa heat exchanger builders are gleeful about the proposition of a new refinery because it would mean a ton of work. However, the problem is a lack of qualified welders. Heat exchanger companies are seeing record profits after several years of being in the red. The only thing that is holding them back is a lack of qualified people.

[Cubs]

Well we know where you stand on the conservative-liberal side of things don't we. Big gov't is not good .... the refineries should stay!

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

Well we know where you stand on the conservative-liberal side of things don't we. Big gov't is not good .... the refineries should stay!

You get any of that cancer causing stink out there in Oh-Wassah?

[SXSW]

Really the proposed refinery in Cushing will be our best chance of getting rid of the west bank refineries.  The site there already has one of the largest tank farms in the nation, high security, and is the crossing point of the country's major pipelines.  This is all about 10 miles south of the actual city of Cushing, and could mean hundreds of new jobs for the small town during construction and after it's operational.  Seems like a good plan to me, where's Senator Inhofe when we need him?

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by SXSW

Really the proposed refinery in Cushing will be our best chance of getting rid of the west bank refineries.  The site there already has one of the largest tank farms in the nation, high security, and is the crossing point of the country's major pipelines.  This is all about 10 miles south of the actual city of Cushing, and could mean hundreds of new jobs for the small town during construction and after it's operational.  Seems like a good plan to me, where's Senator Inhofe when we need him?

Inhofe?  He and Coburn are working hard on their own political futures and doing nothing to bring home the bacon to Oklahoma.  God help us ... because our senators won't.

[aoxamaxoa]

Smell that smell!!! What a gorgeous September!
Too bad it stunk most the time.

I stand amazed that all this discussion on making Tulsa it's not while our water and air continually get worse. You can try to widen and tame a river, impose burden on taxpayers, build an arena for tractor pulls and fundamentalist conventions, and build a 5 month baseball field. But even with all that glamour, it will still stink and taste funny.

If the city would use $300,000,000 to relocate those health hazards, then we might appear progressive, protecticve, and proactive to the world.

[aoxamaxoa]

Smell that smell!!! What a gorgeous September!
Too bad it stunk most the time.

I stand amazed that all this discussion on making Tulsa "what it's not" while our water and air continually spoil. You can try to widen and tame a river, impose burden on taxpayers, build an arena for tractor pulls and fundamentalist conventions, and construct a 5 month duplicitous baseball field. But even with all that glamour, it will still stink and taste funny. Not very attractive.

If the city would use $300,000,000 to relocate those health hazards, then we might appear progressive, protective, and proactive to the world.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

Smell that smell!!! What a gorgeous September!
Too bad it stunk most the time.

I stand amazed that all this discussion on making Tulsa "what it's not" while our water and air continually spoil. You can try to widen and tame a river, impose burden on taxpayers, build an arena for tractor pulls and fundamentalist conventions, and construct a 5 month duplicitous baseball field. But even with all that glamour, it will still stink and taste funny. Not very attractive.

If the city would use $300,000,000 to relocate those health hazards, then we might appear progressive, protective, and proactive to the world.

I still don't think you have looked the word "duplicitous" up...........

[RecycleMichael]

quote:I stand amazed that all this discussion on making Tulsa it's not while our water and air continually get worse.

That statement is untrue for Tulsa's air and the Arkansas river.

The river and airshed have continually to improve for the last 30 plus years in America and in Tulsa.

Don't get me wrong, we have a long way to go, but the river is much cleaner than it used to be and air pollution levels are considerably lower than less than a generation ago.

I met with state and Mayor's officials yesterday to learn more about the DEQ beginning a new air quality monitoring program, especially targeted at emissions from the refineries and selected industrial areas.

Tulsa is very serious about the health of our environment and are working hard to mitigate the problems.

One of the things I do like about the Channels Project is that the plans call for cleaner and more sustainable energy and includes plans to help clean the Arkansas river even more.