Sasquatch

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by xjay

Also, never has the body of a bear that has died of natural causes ever been discovered.  The bodies of dead bears that have been discovered were victims of gun shots or truck accidents, etc.

"Two of the cubs were killed by a male bear at the den and one cub died from starvation."

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1073073

"Pennsylvania Game Commission Wildlife Conservation Officer Robert Buss recently reported finding the remains of the state's oldest known black bear in the wilds of Pike County. Based on the ear-tag number, the bear was identified as a 30-year-old female.

"After receiving word from those who originally found the remains, Buss located the carcass to determine whether this was a case of poaching. It was determined the bear apparently died of natural causes, since there were no other marks on the animal other than badly broken and infected canine teeth, and it did not appear to be malnourished."

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?A=11&Q=156453

[xjay]

OK Papaspot, it looks like you're getting closer but not quite yet.  The point about the proof in the existence of the Giant Squid is that it existed for all of these thousands of years, evidence of its existence had been discovered in the form of suction cup scars on certain whales but still it was not accepted by science to exist.  A Giant Squid body had to wash up on shore for this to happen.  If you do not want to compare deep sea creatures to the Bigfoot then lets also agree to keep our "bear body" search to the FORESTS of the U.S., and not stray off to the Artic Circle in Norway where there are no woods or forests, just dead, froxen, starved polar bear cubs lying in the snow.  I hope you agree that this is fair.  Your other bear body article is about a radio-collared bear, that is the only way they found it, lol!  Here is a link about some of the evidence I am referring to.  It will be up to you to invest as much of your time and open mind to research (at your own expence) this evidence, as you spent looking for the links you provided.  You state that you find these facts hard to believe, but I hope you simply won't condemn them without properly investigating first.  I hope this helps, and I look forward to reading more from you: http://www.bfro.net/LMS/LMS.asp

Breadburner...you are at least half right. [^]

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by xjay

OK Papaspot, it looks like you're getting closer but not quite yet.  The point about the proof in the existence of the Giant Squid is that it existed for all of these thousands of years, evidence of its existence had been discovered in the form of suction cup scars on certain whales but still it was not accepted by science to exist.  A Giant Squid body had to wash up on shore for this to happen.

So what would you estimate the population per square mile to be on the ocean floor. I would think it would be pretty sparse.

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If you do not want to compare deep sea creatures to the Bigfoot then lets also agree to keep our "bear body" search to the FORESTS of the U.S., and not stray off to the Artic Circle in Norway where there are no woods or forests, just dead, froxen, starved polar bear cubs lying in the snow.

I'm pretty sure that Pennsylvania is in the U.S. Did they secede without my knowledge or did you just ignore the second link?

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I hope you agree that this is fair.

No, because I already see the little game you're playing. You make the claim that NO BEAR was EVER FOUND that died of natural causes. When I post a link that refutes this, you narrow it to say NO BEAR was EVER FOUND (in a U.S. forest)... When I post a link for that, you'll further narrow it to say that NO BEAR was EVER FOUND (in a U.S. forest that had a white marking on its head and a toothpick in its mouth). It's just a bullcrap way of moving the target.

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Your other bear body article is about a radio-collared bear, that is the only way they found it, lol!

ROFL!! Didn't read the STORY, didja? Did the story say that they found the bear using the radio collar? No, it didn't. In fact, if you'd have bothered to READ the story you would have seen this:

"The last interaction the agency had with this bear was in 1994."

Let's see...a radio collar with a battery that lasted for TWELVE FREAKIN' YEARS? Even the EverReady BUNNY can't last THAT long. In fact, the sentence right before it said:

"Between 1986 and 1989, agency personnel visited this bear's den in order to record reproductive success and perform maintenance to its radio-collar."

In other words, the battery hadn't been changed since 1989. Lessee...that would be SEVENTEEN YEARS that the battery would have had to last. Face it, not only was your claim debunked but you've demonstrated that you pay little more than cursory attention to anything that doesn't SUPPORT your agenda. That's not real great for the credibility of your team.

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Here is a link about some of the evidence I am referring to.  It will be up to you to invest as much of your time and open mind to research (at your own expence) this evidence, as you spent looking for the links you provided.  You state that you find these facts hard to believe, but I hope you simply won't condemn them without properly investigating first.  I hope this helps, and I look forward to reading more from you: http://www.bfro.net/LMS/LMS.asp

Okay, I must not have been clear on my stance on 'Bigfoot lives!' sites. I told you I won't waste one minute on 'em. If you have a link to an IMPARTIAL site, i.e. one that doesn't have an AGENDA, I'll be happy to look at it. But if you post another bigfoot site, don't expect me to click on any more of your links.

And I'm still waiting to see your evidence on dermal ridges.

[xjay]

Papaspot, I don't want to lose your interest since you are already interested in this topic enough to read it.  I will correct myself and from now on realize that only one bear has ever been found in the U.S. that died of natural causes.  That bear had been tracked with a radio collar several years in the past and its body was discovered in the area where it should have been.  

The link I provided is not for you to explore the BFRO website but to alert you and everyone to a documentary that aired on the Discovery Channel-"Sasquatch:Legend Meets Science".  There is also a book by the same title available: http://www.amazon.com/Sasquatch-Legend-Jeff-Meldrum/dp/0765312166/sr=11_1q

It is going to be impossible to find an impartial report don't you think?  Either the report or article will be pro-exist or just the opposite.  It is up to you to be the impartial judge.  "Personal beliefs aside, he(Dr. Meldrum) bases his findings on the data, which he feels supports the idea of a species behind the legend."  Jimmy Chillcut is a fingerprint expert that started out as a skeptic on the creatures existence until he examined several Sasquatch footprint casts.  This book is also endorsed by world-famous primatologist Jane Goodall.

OklahomaSasquatch.tk started this thread to let folks know that there is a local group that will take a sighting report seriously and sometimes that all a person wants when they have an encounter with one of these creatures.  Most encounters are never reported for fear of redicule.  It is my hope that this thread will generate more interest in helping the general public learn the truth about these creatures.  There is a enough evidence to support a large scale, serious effort to bring forth the solid proof that is needed to prove that this creature does exist: Reports since days of the Spanish explorers, hair samples, footprint casts, Patterson film(which shows muscles working under the creature's hair...it's no suit), and even the photo from one of my game cameras(what you see is what you get, sorry it's not as clear as I wish it were): http://www.bigfootphoto.net/gallery/enhancedscan.php

The last thing a Bigfoot Researcher wants to do is to fall for a hoax, so we do appreciate the skeptics for keeping us sharp, lol.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by xjay

Papaspot, I don't want to lose your interest since you are already interested in this topic enough to read it.  I will correct myself and from now on realize that only one bear has ever been found in the U.S. that died of natural causes.  That bear had been tracked with a radio collar several years in the past and its body was discovered in the area where it should have been.

First of all, it was one (of TWO) examples that I posted. That doesn't mean there aren't many more. The absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence, remember? In the second place, he was tracked with a radio collar well over a decade ago. And, yes, it was found where it should have beeen--in the woods with the rest of the bears. And we aren't talking about an area the size of a city block here...we're talking about hundreds of square miles.

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The link I provided is not for you to explore the BFRO website but to alert you and everyone to a documentary that aired on the Discovery Channel-"Sasquatch:Legend Meets Science".  There is also a book by the same title available: http://www.amazon.com/Sasquatch-Legend-Jeff-Meldrum/dp/0765312166/sr=11_1q

It is going to be impossible to find an impartial report don't you think?  Either the report or article will be pro-exist or just the opposite.  It is up to you to be the impartial judge.

We're talking about reports versus web sites. No offense, but I give Bigfoot sites the same credibility that I give Area 51 or 9/11 "truth" sites. They're out to convince you of something and they play pretty fast and loose with the facts. A credible report will stick with hard, verifiable facts and not ask you to draw conclusions based based on assumptions.

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"Personal beliefs aside, he(Dr. Meldrum) bases his findings on the data, which he feels supports the idea of a species behind the legend."  Jimmy Chillcut is a fingerprint expert that started out as a skeptic on the creatures existence until he examined several Sasquatch footprint casts.  This book is also endorsed by world-famous primatologist Jane Goodall.

That's nice but you gave us a link of where to BUY the book. I'm really not interested on spending twenty bucks on the book. If it contains credible evidence, I would think that you would be able to find some of it on the Internet from an unbiased source.

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OklahomaSasquatch.tk started this thread to let folks know that there is a local group that will take a sighting report seriously and sometimes that all a person wants when they have an encounter with one of these creatures.  Most encounters are never reported for fear of redicule.  It is my hope that this thread will generate more interest in helping the general public learn the truth about these creatures.  There is a enough evidence to support a large scale, serious effort to bring forth the solid proof that is needed to prove that this creature does exist: Reports since days of the Spanish explorers, hair samples, footprint casts, Patterson film(which shows muscles working under the creature's hair...it's no suit), and even the photo from one of my game cameras(what you see is what you get, sorry it's not as clear as I wish it were): http://www.bigfootphoto.net/gallery/enhancedscan.php

The last thing a Bigfoot Researcher wants to do is to fall for a hoax, so we do appreciate the skeptics for keeping us sharp, lol.

Well, if you wanna spend your time in the woods looking for Bigfoot or evidence of Bigfoot, that's fine with me. In fact, I actually support your effort--not because I think you're gonna find anything but because I think it's good for everyone to spend time in the woods. While you're out there, you're likely to learn some things about...let's say...more traditional nature. And that's a GOOD thing.

[Rowdy]

I saw Sasquatch in my French Toast.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

I saw Sasquatch in my French Toast.

[}:)]

I'm pretty sure I saw E-L-V-I-S in my Alphabets a few weeks ago. [}:)]

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

I saw Sasquatch in my French Toast.

Put that on ebay..

[xjay]

Oh well, "thems the grits".

[xjay]

Papaspot, I think this might be close to an impartial article, but not perfectly.  There is a lot of info. here.  I got the idea to do this search from the Wikipedia link at your "My Oklahoma Life" site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigfoot

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by xjay

Papaspot, I think this might be close to an impartial article, but not perfectly.  There is a lot of info. here.  I got the idea to do this search from the Wikipedia link at your "My Oklahoma Life" site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigfoot

This one looks reasonable at first glance, xjay but it'll probably be some time this evening before I get a chance to look at it in detail.

[AngieB]

I think it's all quite fascinating. From the wiki, I went to the Texas Bigfoot site and read a few reports of sightings. Maybe it's real, maybe not, but it's entertaining in a "Coast to Coast AM" kind of way.

[xjay]

I understand why anyone would doubt this creature's existence.  I laughed at someone else myself about 10 years ago for telling me to keep an eye out for Bigfoot at a campground in MO.  I giggled and assured him we would be O.K. and almost completely forgot about the whole episode.  You will either have to see a report on the news that solid evidence of Bigfoot's existence has been presented -or- see one of the creatures yourself (that's what it took for me).  It will not matter how many dead bears we find or how many skeptics proclaim the possibility impossible, these creatures are out there without anyone's permission.  If one will not read the scientific evidence available in a book how can one have an informed opinion.  The dermal ridges are real and on some of the casts from the 1960s.  There is no need to buy the book, have your local library get it for you.  I know these creatures are real and yet life goes on.  The kids go to school and we earn our money, etc.  I have always enjoyed the woods, camping, and natural history.  It didn't take a chance encounter with Bigfoot to get me outdoors, it was the other way around.  It's just that now the woods look a little different to me than before and if anything, I have a greater appreciation for the ways of nature.

[oklahomasasquatch]

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[jdb]

Just got back from two days of riding the Talihmena Drive area - big foot country - and can tell you, there are no bigfoots there at  present.

I took the best known bait for catching BF's, an individually wrapped carmel candy, and placed it by the side of the road, drove off a bit and waited behind a bush.

Nothing!
Not one BF came up and even sniffed the bait.

From town to town, I couldn't find one person who said they believed in such a beast.

So much for this thread.

jdb