city limits and Tulsa Gov't vehicles

[Townsend]

I remember a thread on this subject but I couldn't find it.  What was the outcome on out of town use of official vehicles?

http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=135304



An off-duty Tulsa Police officer is involved in an accident in his patrol car on U.S. Highway 75 late Monday. The accident happened in Glenpool around 9:30 p.m. Monday on U.S. Highway 75 near 196th Street South.

Investigators say the police officer's patrol car collided with another vehicle headed southbound on U.S. Highway 75. Both drivers were taken to the hospital as a precaution.

"Both are not critical condition, they were up walking around, talking, just to be checked out," says Tulsa Police Captain Karen Ford.

Since Glenpool Police only had two police officers on duty at the time of the accident, Tulsa Police are investigating the accident.

[RecycleMichael]

Police officers are allowed to take their vehicles home up to 25 miles from 41st and Yale.

That location is about 21 miles from that starting point.

[NellieBly]

Channel 2 is reporting witnesses said it was the cop's fault.

[Wrinkle]

quote: Since Glenpool Police only had two police officers on duty at the time of the accident, Tulsa Police are investigating the accident.

Seems odd. Backup for a State/Federal Highway accident (if Glenpool can't handle it) would be the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. Actually, wouldn't they be first jurisdiction?

I smell a rat.
Besides, Glenpool never has more than two officers on duty.

[Wrinkle]

quote: Police officers are allowed to take their vehicles home up to 25 miles from 41st and Yale.

That pretty much covers the entire metro area.

I don't believe that was the intent of the recent activity. The idea being Tulsa cop cars in other cities serve no useful purpose for Tulsa. The concept of take-home cars is a crime deterrent, not an officer convenience.

[Wrinkle]

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote: Police officers are allowed to take their vehicles home up to 25 miles from 41st and Yale.

That pretty much covers the entire metro area.

I don't believe that was the intent of the recent activity. The idea being Tulsa cop cars in other cities serve no useful purpose for Tulsa. The concept of take-home cars is a crime deterrent, not an officer convenience.

It also saves the City on overtime.

[shadows]

They need to drive these cars home so they can drive back to Tulsa and buy their groceries and other merchandize to help out the sales taxes budget.

Then in case of emergencies and someone sticks a gun in your face, you can tell the person that a off duty policeman is on his way and has to only come 25 miles so put the gun down and be patient.

[sleepyhead]

They need to decrease speed and it must be investigated especially if the one's who's involved were cops. And they must help the civilian.




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[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Police officers are allowed to take their vehicles home up to 25 miles from 41st and Yale.

That location is about 21 miles from that starting point.

So is it driving distance, or straight line distance?  Looks like Wrinkle's straight line radius map goes a bit further than Glenpool.

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Police officers are allowed to take their vehicles home up to 25 miles from 41st and Yale.

That location is about 21 miles from that starting point.

So is it driving distance, or straight line distance?  Looks like Wrinkle's straight line radius map goes a bit further than Glenpool.

It's "how the crow flies"

[Wrinkle]

Another thought comes to mind here.

I presume, as with TFD, City of Tulsa has opted to Self-Insure TPD assets (i.e., typical auto-type liability insurance).

So, IF (and, I mean IF) this officer is determined to be at fault (reduced chances since TPD became investigating authority in the case), it's going to cost Tulsa Taxpayers out of pocket to cover all liabilities as well as officer down/recovery time, plus vehicle(s) repair and/or replacement. I understand the officer hit the other car from behind, which, in Tulsa, represents a pretty open/shut case.

And, he wasn't even on duty.

I'm searching for the justification, and can't seem to find the benefit.

The 25-mile radius from 41st & Yale represents an area of which less than 50% is even in Tulsa County, much less the City of Tulsa.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote: Police officers are allowed to take their vehicles home up to 25 miles from 41st and Yale.

That pretty much covers the entire metro area.

I don't believe that was the intent of the recent activity. The idea being Tulsa cop cars in other cities serve no useful purpose for Tulsa. The concept of take-home cars is a crime deterrent, not an officer convenience.

It also saves the City on overtime.

I'd be interested in the support for this statement. Don't police work shifts. Or, are you saying they're on the clock during travel to-from home?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Another thought comes to mind here.

I presume, as with TFD, City of Tulsa has opted to Self-Insure TPD assets (i.e., typical auto-type liability insurance).

So, IF (and, I mean IF) this officer is determined to be at fault (reduced chances since TPD became investigating authority in the case), it's going to cost Tulsa Taxpayers out of pocket to cover all liabilities as well as officer down/recovery time, plus vehicle(s) repair and/or replacement. I understand the officer hit the other car from behind, which, in Tulsa, represents a pretty open/shut case.

And, he wasn't even on duty.

I'm searching for the justification, and can't seem to find the benefit.

The 25-mile radius from 41st & Yale represents an area of which less than 50% is even in Tulsa County, much less the City of Tulsa.

The Bone-Headed, intensely wasteful City Police-Car Take-home policy started under Mayor Silly-Susan Savage. It was her way of ingratiating herself with her personal Praetorian Guard, and of also burning up additional Third-Penny Sales tax with the local car dealers with whom the Police Car order were place.  

We now have approximately 800 police cars for 800 police.

NO OTHER MAJOR CITY in the U.S. has such a blanket policy. NONE.

It was promoted as aiding "public safety".

There is NO U.S. Dept. of Injustice Crime Statistic that a city with a police car TAKE HOME policy has one iota affect on crime.  NONE.  

Under Silly-Susan Savage, police could take their assigned police car home or to moonlighting jobs WITHIN the city of Tulsa, burning up our cars and our gasoline hiring out their gun.

If the police officer lived outside of Tulsa, they parked the car on their way home at a city-owned facility, like a city fire station.

Then, Mayor Major MisFortune expanded on a bad policy to the 25-mile Limit, again trying to ingratiate himself with HIS Praetorian Guard.

Uh excuse me, just how does a Tulsa Police car sitting in a driveway in Mannford reduce crime in Tulsa?

Tell me a new lie about the benefits of our bone-headed, wasteful Police Car Take-Home policy.

[RecycleMichael]

I thought the policy did not allow the police officer to use the city-owned vehicle for personal use.

According to the Tulsa World...this accident happened at 9pm and his passengers included his 15 year-old son and an unnamed Glenpool woman.

What possible police business could be happening right after dinner time?

Maybe he was arresting his son and the woman?