North Tulsa Safe?

[Conan71]

I know the area you you live by the way you described the houses, HT.

My wife lived the last two years of high school between 244 and Pine on Denver (Brady Heights), back when that area was still very rough and the hookers called Main & Haskell (and surrounding blocks) home turf.  She worked at the Williams Center forum and walked home from work after dark every night.

She's not a big gal, but she said if anyone started to talk to her or cat-call she would shoot a dirty look and keep walking.  No one messed with her.  She said it's all in the attitude.  I believe her. []

It did take some fearless property owners with money to help turn that area around.  Well, the city bulldozing some of the worst blight didn't hurt either.

[rwarn17588]

Hometown's take is interesting. It's a lot like many Midwestern cities where I've lived, especially Chicago, in which you could go from really nice residential areas to outright blight in just a few blocks.

Those sorts of jarring juxtapositions seemed commonplace.

So I guess I don't find Hometown's utopia, close to a crime-ridden area, to be all that unusual. That's why it's unwise to use sweeping generalities when describing a large urban area.

[iplaw]

I partially agree, but when the news comes on tonight or tomorrow night and tells us that X person has been shot and killed, the overwhelming odds are that the word "North" will be somewhere in the address.

[YoungTulsan]

KTUL must really have something against North Tulsa:

Suspects Sought After Home Invasion, Shooting
Monday July 23, 2007 7:37am    Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - Tulsa police are searching for suspects after an overnight home invasion that resulted in a homeowner being shot at.

Tulsa police say they haven't seen a home invasion like this one in quite some time. It happened just after one o'clock Monday morning in the 46-hundred block of North Elgin.

Police say the two suspects broke into the home through a back door when the woman living there heard the burglars and came out of her room.

When the suspects saw her, they shot at her twice, missing her only by about a foot.

Two Youngsters Dead, A Third Injured In Shooting Sunday Morning
Sunday July 22, 2007 5:42pm   Reporter: Burt Mummolo   Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - Two young Tulsans are dead and a third is critically injured following an early morning shooting in the 19-hundred block of North Lewis. And, two of the victims are only twelve years old.

Suspects Sought In Early Morning Drive-By Shooting
Thursday July 19, 2007 10:24am    Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - Tulsa police are investigating after a drive-by shooting that happened early Thursday morning in the 24-hundred block of North Boston Place.

Teen Injured In Sunday Afternoon Shooting
Sunday July 15, 2007 6:01pm    Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - Police are investigating a drive-by shooting that left one man hospitalized Sunday afternoon.

It happened at about 2:30 p.m. Sunday in the 54-hundred block of North Frankfort Avenue. Police arrived to find the victim lying in the road, suffering from three gunshot wounds.

Two Injured In Pair Of Overnight Shootings
Wednesday July 11, 2007 8:17am    Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - Two men are recovering after a pair of overnight shootings that may have been connected.

The first happened just before midnight at a car wash near Cincinnati and 46th Street North. The victim showed up at OSU Medical Center with a gunshot wound to the leg.

He said he had been hanging out with friends when someone walked up and began shooting. The man was hit once. A car nearby also was struck by the gunfire.

The victim of the other shooting showed up at Hillcrest Medical Center around midnight. He, too, had a gunshot wound to the leg, but would not tell police any details about the incident.

Man Shot In The Leg Overnight
Tuesday July 10, 2007 7:52am    Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - A man was hospitalized overnight after he was shot in the leg outside a north Tulsa smoke shop.

Police say the victim told them he was with a group of people when someone drove by and fired shots. The victim went to a nearby car and asked to be driven to the hospital.

Two Boys Injured In 4th Of July Shooting
Thursday July 05, 2007 7:15am    Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - A Fourth of July party turned scary Wednesday night after two young boys were shot while celebrating.

The boys, ages 11 and 15, were hanging out near 54-hundred North Frankfort, when shots rang out. Investigators say those around the boys didn't realize they had been shot because of the popping fireworks.

Both boys were hit in the leg. Police aren't sure if they were simply hit by stray bullets or were actually the targets of the shooters.

Teens Injured In Drive-By Shooting
Wednesday July 04, 2007 8:16am    Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - Two teenagers continue to recover after they were shot Tuesday evening.

The shooting happened around 8:30 p.m. Tuesday night in the 26-hundred block of North Yale. One teen was shot in the back, the other in the right leg. They were taken to Tulsa hospitals. Their conditions are not known.

The teens told police they were driving along Yale when they noticed a white SUV following them.

Shots Fired Into Home Overnight
Tuesday June 26, 2007 7:21am    Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - Police are investigating after nearly a dozen shots were fired into a home in the five-hundred block of East 42nd Street North overnight.

Man Arrested After Fatal Shooting
Saturday June 23, 2007 11:19am   Reporter: Jerry Giordano   Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - One man is dead following a shooting in a north Tulsa neighborhood.

It happened shortly before eight o'clock Friday night in the 22-hundred block of North Main, usually a very quiet neighborhood.

Witnesses reported hearing several gunshots at about 7:30 p.m. Apparently a man and woman were having a conversation in the street when police say the woman's ex-boyfriend drove up in a white Suburban.

The two men then began fighting and the fighting quickly escalated to gunfire.

Police Question Man After Overnight Shooting
Thursday June 21, 2007 8:19am    Posted By: Kevin King

Tulsa - A suspect is in custody for questioning after an early morning shooting.

It happened in the 200 block of East 51st Place North around midnight. Officers said someone drove by a home and opened fire.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by bugo


Where in KC did you get lost?  I lived up there for 2 years and there were no parts of town that I felt terribly unsafe in during the day.

Probably the Bannister Mall. That's the only area I felt unsafe in when I lived in Kansas City.

I lived about 1/2 mile from Bannister Mall.  It isn't the best part of town, but I never had any problems except for my car getting broken into, which can happen anywhere.  I was always especially alert of my surroundings when I went out, but I never felt scared.

[TheArtist]

I think the area around Reservoir Hill is one of the most beautiful areas in Tulsa. Has many of the same style and size of homes as Mapleridge but perched on a hillside with huge old trees, mossy stone walls and windy roads. I really like the old Italian/Spanish style homes that are there. And wow, what a view of downtown some of them have. The character and feel of the area is so different than other parts of Tulsa. Almost like some of those nicer hilly areas around KC. Has a more Northern and Eastern feel to it.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by bugo


Where in KC did you get lost?  I lived up there for 2 years and there were no parts of town that I felt terribly unsafe in during the day.

Probably the Bannister Mall. That's the only area I felt unsafe in when I lived in Kansas City.

I lived about 1/2 mile from Bannister Mall.  It isn't the best part of town, but I never had any problems except for my car getting broken into, which can happen anywhere.  I was always especially alert of my surroundings when I went out, but I never felt scared.

Yeah right, give me a break.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by TulsaMINI

quote:Originally posted by Porky

And if you would happen to stumble into Red Fork after dark.....oh my, may the Good Lord have mercy upon you! [:O]

Care to elaborate?

Man, I'm sick of this perception of the westside -- Red Fork, Carbondale, Hill Haven. It's simply not reality. Crime is EXTREMELY low in these areas. Pull up the crime map and see how many dots are on the Westside and compare it to EVERYWHERE else, then try to convince people how scaaaary it is. Whatever.

That's my point Tulsa Mini, the crime in North Tulsa isn't any different than anywhere else, except for a small portion of the North Side area.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd


Yes, crime is higher in North Tulsa than in the rest of the city.  No, this does not make the whole of North Tulsa a war zone.  The specific part of Lewis on which the church is located has the same amount of danger on a Sunday morning, or weekday afternoon for that matter, as any other area of the city.  Which is to say, none.

The one caveat is, don't go strolling through the back neighborhood at 1 am with a full wallet.

Exactly, well said Floyd. [^]

[Tulsa Twister]

I dont understand why so many are so concerned about being in or travelling thru North Tulsa. As a former resident of the area and a current citizen of Phoenix, i have to say you guys have it really easy in Tulsa. What some of you consider "ghetto" or blight is very very mild compared to other metropolitan areas (including Phoenix). Seems to me that much of the violence pointed out in North Tulsa is gang-related and the string of violence in July may perhaps be retaliatory in nature (one good shooting deserved another by thug logic). So i wouldnt call it random violence-- criminals just arent out to "off" any unsuspecting citizen. Its just not that way.

My wife (Phoenix born and raised) stated on her trips with me to Tulsa, of how quiet it seemed and how our "ghettos" where "nice" (you should visit Phoenix's 24th & Broadway or the Rosier street areas). We've always lodged with family on 51st street North between Hartford and Peoria when we visit.

Anyways, youre more likely to get robbed by a congressman/politician than by a North Tulsa criminal..........and thats the truth.

North Tulsa "aint" as bad as some of you all make her out to be.

[rwarn17588]

Tulsa Twister is correct.

Having lived near a bunch of Rust Belt cities, I can attest that the "ghettos" of Chicago, Milwaukee, Peoria and St. Louis would make a so-called Tulsa gangsta wet his pants.

(Rico has concurred with my assertion.)

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by bugo

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by bugo


Where in KC did you get lost?  I lived up there for 2 years and there were no parts of town that I felt terribly unsafe in during the day.

Probably the Bannister Mall. That's the only area I felt unsafe in when I lived in Kansas City.

I lived about 1/2 mile from Bannister Mall.  It isn't the best part of town, but I never had any problems except for my car getting broken into, which can happen anywhere.  I was always especially alert of my surroundings when I went out, but I never felt scared.

Yeah right, give me a break.

I'm serious.  As I said, I always watched my back, but I never felt threatened and nobody ever approached me or anything.

[AngieB]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by TulsaMINI

quote:Originally posted by Porky

And if you would happen to stumble into Red Fork after dark.....oh my, may the Good Lord have mercy upon you! [:O]

Care to elaborate?

Man, I'm sick of this perception of the westside -- Red Fork, Carbondale, Hill Haven. It's simply not reality. Crime is EXTREMELY low in these areas. Pull up the crime map and see how many dots are on the Westside and compare it to EVERYWHERE else, then try to convince people how scaaaary it is. Whatever.

That's my point Tulsa Mini, the crime in North Tulsa isn't any different than anywhere else, except for a small portion of the North Side area.

Well quit getting me riled up by picking on Red Fork!!

Perhaps your point would have been better made if you had said, oh, maybe "stumble into Southern Hills after dark".

[sauerkraut]

Talk about blight- The city of Detroit is really bad, maybe even beyond hope. It looks like a war zone. it's unsafe to even drive thru it, if you get a flat tire your in a bad way. Detroit has to be by-passed on  the I-275 loop up to I-696. Driving thru Dertoit on I-75 is a death wish. I kid ya not.[xx(]

[azbadpuppy]

quote:Originally posted by Tulsa Twister

I dont understand why so many are so concerned about being in or travelling thru North Tulsa. As a former resident of the area and a current citizen of Phoenix, i have to say you guys have it really easy in Tulsa. What some of you consider "ghetto" or blight is very very mild compared to other metropolitan areas (including Phoenix). Seems to me that much of the violence pointed out in North Tulsa is gang-related and the string of violence in July may perhaps be retaliatory in nature (one good shooting deserved another by thug logic). So i wouldnt call it random violence-- criminals just arent out to "off" any unsuspecting citizen. Its just not that way.

My wife (Phoenix born and raised) stated on her trips with me to Tulsa, of how quiet it seemed and how our "ghettos" where "nice" (you should visit Phoenix's 24th & Broadway or the Rosier street areas). We've always lodged with family on 51st street North between Hartford and Peoria when we visit.

Anyways, youre more likely to get robbed by a congressman/politician than by a North Tulsa criminal..........and thats the truth.

North Tulsa "aint" as bad as some of you all make her out to be.

Are you kidding about Phoenix? It is the most ghetto free city I have ever seen. I have lived in the area you are talking about (It is spelled Roeser BTW) and it in no way is dangerous or even remotely scary, unless working class latino families scare you. There are gangs scattered about Phoenix and of course there is crime but it is hardly limited to any particular neighborhood but that is pretty much the case in all  American cities, including Tulsa.