Wal-Mart shoplifter death

[mdunn]

its a sad ending of a life,but he did commit a crime,and when ya do a crime you risk that sort of thing.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

So a criminal died....no big loss.

thats what I was thinking.  anything to make criminals think twice, im for it.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
BTW my wife asked me the other day about those cams on the traffic lights. I couldn't remember. Do they record red light runners and send them tickets ala the pike pass cams?

Those are the "machine eyes" for the traffic signals, replacing road sensors at intersections.  "Red Light Cameras" have been denounced by AAA and others for their misrepresentation and abuse, and arent legal in Oklahoma since you have to be a person (not a car) to commit a moving violation.

[AMP]

Actually the videos help prevent loss.  

Loss Prevention can manifest in various forms.  

You are probally safer shopping and doing business in an environment that most of the public knows has Video running 24/7 than at other locations where there is no video present or video in low light even if there were.  

Still yet, people have pulled off some very blazen acts at the Wal Mart stores that were captured on Video.  

Forms of Loss Prevention Using Video

1. Slip and Fall
2. Injury of other nature
3. Personal Assault
4. Theft
5. Malicious Damage
6. Graffiti
7. Auto Theft
8. Vandalism
9. Bagging by Cashier - Not processing the merchandise through the cash register.
10. Buggy Swapping - Loading two buggies with identical merchandise, purchasing a set of the same, then returning moments later and leaving with the second cart of merchandise using the first receipt.  

Public places of business are targets of people with the propensity to look for an easy form of income.

Multi-Cam Security Loss Prevention Case

Back-Masking Has Another Meaning Here

A man claimed he slipped and fell on paint that was spilled on the floor of a Wal Mart.  Wal Mart store management and security looked where the paint was and the accident scene.  Sure enough there was spilled paint, foot prints and what appeard to be marks that looked as if someone had fallen down there. They then reviewed the Video of the incident, and the man had slipped on spilled paint and taken a bad fall.  

However, when they ran the video in reverse, it revealed that the man was not the only person in that area within the past several minutes.  Another man had walked up and opened the paint can, and poured it on the floor prior to this guy slipping on it.  

Running other cameras in the store tape further backward, and following the man that spilled the paint, it reveals that there where three men that arrived at various times through the front door.  Following one back out to the parking lot, the tape shows all three getting out of the SAME CAR in the parking lot.

That is one simple method of multi camera Loss Prevention.  The man that claimed the slip and fall personal injury accident was prosecuted on Insurance Fraud charges.

So it is not always the merchandise businesses are protecting.  It is Liability Insurance Claims as well.

You be the Jury...  

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
BTW my wife asked me the other day about those cams on the traffic lights. I couldn't remember. Do they record red light runners and send them tickets ala the pike pass cams?

Those are the "machine eyes" for the traffic signals, replacing road sensors at intersections.  "Red Light Cameras" have been denounced by AAA and others for their misrepresentation and abuse, and arent legal in Oklahoma since you have to be a person (not a car) to commit a moving violation.

Thanks Patrick. That makes sense.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

Actually the videos help prevent loss.  

Loss Prevention can manifest in various forms.  

You are probally safer shopping and doing business in an environment that most of the public knows has Video running 24/7 than at other locations where there is no video present or video in low light even if there were.  

Still yet, people have pulled off some very blazen acts at the Wal Mart stores that were captured on Video.  

Forms of Loss Prevention Using Video

1. Slip and Fall
2. Injury of other nature
3. Personal Assault
4. Theft
5. Malicious Damage
6. Graffiti
7. Auto Theft
8. Vandalism
9. Bagging by Cashier - Not processing the merchandise through the cash register.
10. Buggy Swapping - Loading two buggies with identical merchandise, purchasing a set of the same, then returning moments later and leaving with the second cart of merchandise using the first receipt.  

Public places of business are targets of people with the propensity to look for an easy form of income.

Multi-Cam Security Loss Prevention Case

Back-Masking Has Another Meaning Here

A man claimed he slipped and fell on paint that was spilled on the floor of a Wal Mart.  Wal Mart store management and security looked where the paint was and the accident scene.  Sure enough there was spilled paint, foot prints and what appeard to be marks that looked as if someone had fallen down there. They then reviewed the Video of the incident, and the man had slipped on spilled paint and taken a bad fall.  

However, when they ran the video in reverse, it revealed that the man was not the only person in that area within the past several minutes.  Another man had walked up and opened the paint can, and poured it on the floor prior to this guy slipping on it.  

Running other cameras in the store tape further backward, and following the man that spilled the paint, it reveals that there where three men that arrived at various times through the front door.  Following one back out to the parking lot, the tape shows all three getting out of the SAME CAR in the parking lot.

That is one simple method of multi camera Loss Prevention.  The man that claimed the slip and fall personal injury accident was prosecuted on Insurance Fraud charges.

So it is not always the merchandise businesses are protecting.  It is Liability Insurance Claims as well.

You be the Jury...  

Good uses of security cams. I'm sure WalMart makes a tasty target for such scams. As long as there not in the bathrooms and changing rooms I'm okay with it.

Still, most shrink (retail theft) is at the hands of employees. The cams don't do so well there. Usually an alliance of key personnel in shipping/receiving, vengeful former employees or employees of the contracting companies who worked on the building. The last retail I worked at a thief entered through the a/c duct on the roof, cut the security cables and proceeded to round up the laptops. He missed one backup cable that alerted the police who arrived in less than 10min. Still, he escaped.

These thieves had targeted all our stores in different cities, learning each stores weakness and attacking it in different ways. They have been quite successful. Word from authorities is they know who the leader is and his group but have been unable to catch them in the act. Cams would be useless except to aid in redesign.

[Breadburner]

No tears shed here for the thief.....

[South_Tulsan]

A home-owner gunned down a would be intruder Sunday. The bad guy died in the driveway after being blasted with a 16-gauge shotgun!

That kind of story makes me happy. One less home-invasion crook on the loose is very good news.

One less shoplifter, killed by Wal-mart workers...

uhmmm... not so much.

I'd rather there be shoplifters on the loose than dime-store employees with a license to kill over merchandise.

What kind of world are we living in, folks?

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by South_Tulsan

A home-owner gunned down a would be intruder Sunday. The bad guy died in the driveway after being blasted with a 16-gauge shotgun!

That kind of story makes me happy. One less home-invasion crook on the loose is very good news.

One less shoplifter, killed by Wal-mart workers...

Where does it say they killed him......

uhmmm... not so much.

I'd rather there be shoplifters on the loose than dime-store employees with a license to kill over merchandise.

What kind of world are we living in, folks?

[roadhunter]

How can anyone with a conscience go inside a Wal-Mart or Sam's in the first place?  See http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/facts/ for details, and please stop shopping (or shoplifting) there.

[South_Tulsan]

To breadburner:

The article I read stated that when police arrived the suspect was handcuffed and not breathing.

So if they didn't kill him, then what? At the very least the security guard was too dumb to know the guy had stopped breathing, and failed to give aid at that point or call an ambulance.

And all this over what? I don't know of anything inside a Wal-mart store that is worth killing someone over.

[mdunn]

quote:Originally posted by South_Tulsan

A home-owner gunned down a would be intruder Sunday. The bad guy died in the driveway after being blasted with a 16-gauge shotgun!

That kind of story makes me happy. One less home-invasion crook on the loose is very good news.

One less shoplifter, killed by Wal-mart workers...

uhmmm... not so much.

I'd rather there be shoplifters on the loose than dime-store employees with a license to kill over merchandise.

What kind of world are we living in, folks?

Home invaders start their criminal careers shoplifting,so why not get them early!

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by mdunn

quote:Originally posted by South_Tulsan

A home-owner gunned down a would be intruder Sunday. The bad guy died in the driveway after being blasted with a 16-gauge shotgun!

That kind of story makes me happy. One less home-invasion crook on the loose is very good news.

One less shoplifter, killed by Wal-mart workers...

uhmmm... not so much.

I'd rather there be shoplifters on the loose than dime-store employees with a license to kill over merchandise.

What kind of world are we living in, folks?

Home invaders start their criminal careers shoplifting,so why not get them early!

Most of them started their lives drinking milk. Very strong correlation. Why not catch them at the very start?

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by South_Tulsan

To breadburner:

The article I read stated that when police arrived the suspect was handcuffed and not breathing.

So if they didn't kill him, then what? At the very least the security guard was too dumb to know the guy had stopped breathing, and failed to give aid at that point or call an ambulance.

And all this over what? I don't know of anything inside a Wal-mart store that is worth killing someone over.

Well, the employees are pretty valuable.

[deinstein]

People still shop at Wal-Mart? Seriously?