Wal-Mart shoplifter death

[mdunn]

I agree with Tulsa Fan...Its unfortunate that someone died,but when a person involves his or herself in a criminal activity,The risk of getting caught escalates personal injury that can occur.About 20 years ago,I was living at the falls apartments on memorial,we had a rash of thefts to vehicals.I was returning from on site laundry and caught a man stealing my stereo in my trans am.He pulled a knife on me and tried to stick me,I disarmed him and gave him a few good blows to the head,didnt want to kill him,but someone else could have.So he took a great risk,and he got caught and almost seriously hurt.

[sgrizzle]

The death was almost certainly accidental and may not have been preventable. Keep in mind the guy ran head-first into the door on the way out, likely causing head injury.

[Ibanez]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

I do not believe the death penalty is appropriate for shoplifting.  His family should have a wrongful death suit initiated.

That is exactly the kind of idiotic thinking that is ruining this country.

[tim huntzinger]

We live in a society with little corporate responsibility, as well.  There are fewer lawsuits today per capita than in the 1800's.

If he ran into a door that does change things, missed that.

A jury should look at this.  There was a bouncer controversy not too long ago and this may run along the same lines.

[waterboy]

You're a bunch of hard hearted bastards. Right in the middle of the land of love and Jesus.

We know who the criminals, the drug users the red light runners are. Whey don't we just line them up and eliminate them. To hell with an organized justice oriented system of laws. We need to give them what they deserve. Of course there won't be much population left, especially if we include bankers, real estate agents, car salesmen and stock brokers.  But that's just more for the rest of us who don't steal!

After all property is always more important than life isn't it?

[mdunn]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

You're a bunch of hard hearted bastards. Right in the middle of the land of love and Jesus.

We know who the criminals, the drug users the red light runners are. Whey don't we just line them up and eliminate them. To hell with an organized justice oriented system of laws. We need to give them what they deserve. Of course there won't be much population left, especially if we include bankers, real estate agents, car salesmen and stock brokers.  But that's just more for the rest of us who don't steal!

After all property is always more important than life isn't it?

Property isnt worth more than life,but if we allow anyone to just take for the taking,what does that make us??

[sgrizzle]

No-one said he should be killed for shoplifting, but people are generally unsympathetic when something bad happens to a person WHILE they're committing a crime. Like if your red-light runner got hit by a bus.

[waterboy]

If I saw a red light runner get hit and killed by a bus I might be struck by the irony but totally sympathetic for him and his family. Having run red lights in my past I know that sometimes it is bad planning, inattentiveness, stress, or distress that was the cause, not an effort to steal the green light from someone else. Fortunately I lived to understand that. And I understand the first instinct to have no sympathy but this is a week later.

Mdunn, I can't say what it makes us. Tolerant? Forgiving? The laws are designed to keep criminal behavior in control, not eliminate it, so it is at a tolerable level. Every retail store projects its shrinkage (which is mostly from employees btw) and plans to minimize it.

He was a thief. So was the guy at Enron. But I wanted him to live long enough to understand what he did was wrong and make up for it. Redemption is just as powerful as revenge.

[iplaw]

If we were really a sensetive society we would charge those security guards with murder, and set up a college scholarship fund in the guy's name.  And lastly, we would put all employees through a "theft" sensetivity training program to help them understand the thief, and arm all new security personnel with nerf batons and plastic handcuffs (those metal ones are cold and can hurt).  

Oh...we need a new term for "theft', as it has such a negative connotation...any ideas?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

If we were really a sensetive society we would charge those security guards with murder, and set up a college scholarship fund in the guy's name.  And lastly, we would put all employees through a "theft" sensetivity training program to help them understand the thief, and arm all new security personnel with nerf batons and plastic handcuffs (those metal ones are cold and can hurt).  

Oh...we need a new term for "theft', as it has such a negative connotation...any ideas?

Sensitive is obviously not a word you use much. Metal handcuffs are passe' too, they use plastic cable now. My suggestion for a replacement term for "Theft" would be a variation of something they use for white collar criminals, missappropriation, deferred salary, golden parachute, fraud, embezzler etc.

[iplaw]

Not in the context of a 5 finger discount...

[tim huntzinger]

Store clerk gets one year for blasting cigarrette thief

One year? Outrage! He should have been given a medal, right?

[iplaw]

Tell you what Timmy...why don't you PM me your address and leave your door unlocked while you're at work today...[xx(]

[tim huntzinger]

I certainly would not shoot someone in the back for stealing smokes, would you?  I would not put my life on the line for $6HR and choke some cracklehead to death because he is stealing a friggin TV from Wally World.

[mdunn]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

I certainly would not shoot someone in the back for stealing smokes, would you?  I would not put my life on the line for $6HR and choke some cracklehead to death because he is stealing a friggin TV from Wally World.

didnt you read what wally world does if the security doesnt beat the pulp out of shoplifters???They bring in the Arkansas mafia henchmen to torture them.The former security guards there are now greeters,once you get into the wally world mafia,your in for life!