South Tulsa Bridge - Creek Nation

[Red Mesa]

I'm an employee of the Creek Nation and I've thought about posting this for a long time and I'm posting this because the citizens have a right to know about all of the behind the scenes stuff going on and it makes me sick to my stomach to think that my tribe and our elected officials are doing this stuff. Basically my tribe through  other people is buying up land to build the toll bridge and they will be relying on some territorial law to connect the bridge to Tulsa's streets.  My tribe has obtained easement rights on the southside of the river from the Jenks and my tribe has also been assigned contracts rights from Bob David who is a developer in Tulsa for the rights to property on the north side of the river from people named the Davenports and the Eastons and I believe this property is in front of housing additions named Hunter's Hills and Hampton Oaks.  It makes me sick to see my tribe and the Jenks mayor and this Bob David guy laugh around here and say stuff like "we are going to show those citizens who's boss" and other things I've heard them say is that they they are putting the north side of the bridge between Sheridan and Yale right in front of housing additions just to screw with the homeowners who opposed their other bridge idea. I can't believe my tribal leaders have been sold on joining in this crap all to get a casino in Jenks.  I might lose my job for this but I don't care anymore, I am sick of this stuff.      

[zstyles]

Wow! Thanks for posting!

[YoungTulsan]

I thought the possible alignments of a bridge put its north side either connecting to Riverside/Delaware, West of Yale, or directly into Yale.  I've never heard of an alignment to the east of Yale.  Care to elaborate?

The streets plan has some money for Riverside and Yale, so we wouldn't be *AS* screwed by Jenks/Creeks connecting their road into our street system.  This still reeks to high heaven though.

I'd rather see a free bridge whose construction/maintenance is split between all parties.

[Wrinkle]

Well, we could just do like QT did at 41st and plant a building or giant sculpture in the ROW.

[Bat Bat]

Absolutely amazing!  Thanks for posting Red Mesa.

YoungTulsan, I am looking at a detailed property map a couple of months old and going from the river heading east, the property owners are the City of Tulsa, John Deere, Davenport, Newton, Ramsey, etc...  I know that the City of Tulsa has been unwilling thus far to sell its property or any easement rights over its property.  I also know that John Deere (according to aritcles in the Tulsa World) has maintained in the past that it is unwilling to sell its property.  The Davenport property is next in line and according to this map is directly in front of the Hunter's Hills residential housing addition on 121st Street.  The Easton property is behind the Davenport property and adjoins the river.  I don't know anything about the Newton and Ramsey properties.  

I have never heard of a bridge between Yale and Sheridan.  Of all of the proposed bridge location ideas that I have heard, this one makes the least sense of all.

I agree with YoungTulsan this still reeks to high heaven.

[Townsend]

This sounds like a job for Mummolo.

Burt, you lurking out there?

[Gaspar]

Sorry.  Not buying it.  

Sounds like someone is angry at Bob David and posting for revenge.  Perhaps a disgruntled Leadership Properties employee rather than a Creek Nation employee?

Since we do all of the planning, and engineering for Bob, and the land mentioned above is currently in the planning and engineering stages with NO provisions for any kind of bridge, I would say the post is false.  

Several bridge plans for that area were conceived back in 2006, but lacked support and feasibility.  It is still a dead issue and other plans for that land have already progressed with some near the permitting stages.  

I see no information on Creek Nation interests on any of the above mentioned land.  Besides, the EPA will not sanction a bridge in that area (somthing special lives just off the river there []) .  

[da dawg]

Interesting Red Mesa....the STCC has been hearing rumblings of this same information. Do you (or anyone else) have any idea why this bridge is soooooooo important!? The Supreme Court issued a 9-0 decision that said no one can build the bridge without a vote of the people. Since this is true how can anyone build a bridge without a vote??  And the city of Tulsa  said at this point in time no bridge can hook up to Tulsa roads...how are they going to get around that?? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[YoungTulsan]

I would lean towards Gaspar's theory without more to back up what he said.

I was under the impression that strict engineering qualifications had to be made for the location of the bridge.  You can't just pick a property and say "I want to build it there", at least not without significant changes to the cost of engineering and construction.

Does my memory serve correct?  The Riverside alignment was more of a problem for the Wind River neighborhood as it abutted the neighborhood or even possibly took some homes out?  Whereas the Yale alignment would be much worse for the street infrastructure?

Looking at a satellite map tells me that a linkup between Yale and Sheridan makes absolutely no sense at all.

[Bat Bat]

Gaspar your prior post said "...the land mentioned above is currently in the planning and engineering stages with NO provisions for any kind of bridge..."  Just to be clear, are you saying that Bob David does in fact own the prior Davenport property?  Does he also own the Easton sod farm property as well?  What kind of development will be going up?

[Jitter Free]

I live out south near the affected area and I think it is common knowledge that Bob David owns the N.W. corner of 121st and Yale.  It wouldn't suprise me if this land is as Gaspar said "under engineering and permitting."  However, this isn't the land that Red Mesa is talking about.  Red Mesa is talking about land that is south of 121st Street and east of Yale by a 1/16 to an 1/8 of a mile.  I'm with Bat Bat.  Gaspar could you please clarify which tract of land you are referring to.  If it is in fact the latter, this is the first I have heard that Bob David owns this land and I think a lot of citizens that live out here would be interested in this information.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Jitter Free

I live out south near the affected area and I think it is common knowledge that Bob David owns the N.W. corner of 121st and Yale.  It wouldn't suprise me if this land is as Gaspar said "under engineering and permitting."  However, this isn't the land that Red Mesa is talking about.  Red Mesa is talking about land that is south of 121st Street and east of Yale by a 1/16 to an 1/8 of a mile.  I'm with Bat Bat.  Gaspar could you please clarify which tract of land you are referring to.  If it is in fact the latter, this is the first I have heard that Bob David owns this land and I think a lot of citizens that live out here would be interested in this information.

No there are other developers involved.  I think they are planning a strip club, porno theater, and homeless shelter for that area. [}:)]

[Gaspar]

Interesting "group" of "new" posters.  

Welcome to the forums.

[Jitter Free]

With Tanner Consulting involved, I'm not surprised about the development options.  I hear porno theaters and having to move walls at Wind River are your specialty Gaspar.  I think its interesting that Gaspar chose to immediately shoot down Red Mesa, but when pressed with details which he should know since he says he is working on the project, he doesn't answer.  

[cannon_fodder]

No offense new posters, but I would appreciate if someone familiar with the accusations and a long-standing TulsaNow poster would call an involved party and just find out what the deal is.

I'm not familiar enough to speak intelligently about it, nor do I really care.  I would seldom drive by, let alone use such a bridge.  For that matter, I would only be within 5 miles of it a couple times a month.

BUT, anytime a new thread is started on a relatively obscure topic and it draws this many new posters - my skepticism is spiked.  Again, no offense.  It is the nature of the internet.