South Tulsa Bridge - Creek Nation

[Jitter Free]

I'm still jitter free for the time being.  I wish Gaspar would respond.  I would be delighted to her about another development just to the south and to the east of 121st and Yale.  I would not be so glad to hear about a bridge at that location.  I might start jittering again and require shock treatments.  

[Ibanez]

121st & Sheridan

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

121st & Sheridan

and if you want to pay Tulsa taxes there will be a similiar development on the NW corner of 121st/sheridan.  everything south of 121st looks really flood prone.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Jitter Free

I'm still jitter free for the time being.  I wish Gaspar would respond.  I would be delighted to her about another development just to the south and to the east of 121st and Yale.  I would not be so glad to hear about a bridge at that location.  I might start jittering again and require shock treatments.  

Probably not wise for him to expand at length on the issue if he does work for Bob David.  You might try communicating via PM instead of trying to carry on public discourse on the issue.

Hey, I wanna know too, but a public forum might not be the appropriate venue.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

121st & Sheridan

Just feels WEIRD and WRONG reading about a development like this given the current economic situation.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

121st & Sheridan

and if you want to pay Tulsa taxes there will be a similiar development on the NW corner of 121st/sheridan.  everything south of 121st looks really flood prone.

I don't think 121st was a very effective levee during the excessive water of the late 80s.  I expect sometime to have to do another flood buyout.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow


I don't think 121st was a very effective levee during the excessive water of the late 80s.  I expect sometime to have to do another flood buyout.

I wouldn't be surprised. Most of those places along the river down there look like disasters waiting to happen. I wouldn't buy a house there. Of course, I'm the idiot that refused to buy a house in 2000 or 2001 because of the coming economic difficulty, so what do I know?

Sorta like that development in Bixby over on Mingo and Garnett where there are houses lower than the road right next to a road sign that says "Caution: High Water" or something to that effect. [B)]

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

121st & Sheridan

and if you want to pay Tulsa taxes there will be a similiar development on the NW corner of 121st/sheridan.  everything south of 121st looks really flood prone.

I don't think 121st was a very effective levee during the excessive water of the late 80s.  I expect sometime to have to do another flood buyout.

AMEN!  People who are buying these huge homes in that area didn't do their homework.  That entire area was under water with both floods in the 1980s.  I love the homes and love the neighborhoods, but that's in a flood plain.

[inteller]

buying anything south of 111th is asking for trouble flood wise.  When you take that little dip on memorial south of 111th into the river basin you know things can't be good.  There was a reason all they ever did there was grow sod for decades.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan
Just feels WEIRD and WRONG reading about a development like this given the current economic situation.

Down economy = cheaper labor.   A global slowdown means commodity prices are dropping = cheaper building supplies.  A general slowdown in Tulsa means the various agencies will be more willing to work with you to get things done.

The economic slow down is temporary, if there is a project that is not dependent on the economy picking up (arguably a casino is, where ROADS are not) or you can weather the storm until it does - NOW is the perfect time to start a project like this.

Too bad we aren't building the arena now, instead of hearing about estimates coming in above the line they would almost certainly be way below it.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder


Too bad we aren't building the arena now, instead of hearing about estimates coming in above the line they would almost certainly be way below it.

Good time to build a ballpark and everything else Kaiser has planned north of the tracks.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan
Just feels WEIRD and WRONG reading about a development like this given the current economic situation.

Down economy = cheaper labor.   A global slowdown means commodity prices are dropping = cheaper building supplies.  A general slowdown in Tulsa means the various agencies will be more willing to work with you to get things done.

The economic slow down is temporary, if there is a project that is not dependent on the economy picking up (arguably a casino is, where ROADS are not) or you can weather the storm until it does - NOW is the perfect time to start a project like this.

Too bad we aren't building the arena now, instead of hearing about estimates coming in above the line they would almost certainly be way below it.

The convention center expansion bids are coming in low...

[Conan71]

Any word on construction scheduling on the River Development south of the Creek T'Pike?

It doesn't look like the earth movers have moved in awhile.  Not exactly the best timing to be putting up another huge commercial development.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Any word on construction scheduling on the River Development south of the Creek T'Pike?

It doesn't look like the earth movers have moved in awhile.  Not exactly the best timing to be putting up another huge commercial development.

Why do you say that? As has been noted materials costs may go down, energy costs down, etc. and its going to take a couple of years to get the thing done. It will be cheaper to build, and by the time they are done the economy will be on the upswing with people spending again. Perfect timing. Plus the young, wealthy demographics in that area cant be ignored. If your going to be building anything at all like this, anywhere in the country... that spots probably one of the best bets around. Many developers look at that area and the 71st corridor and are floored that areas with such great demographics exists in the midwest.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Any word on construction scheduling on the River Development south of the Creek T'Pike?

It doesn't look like the earth movers have moved in awhile.  Not exactly the best timing to be putting up another huge commercial development.

They are out there working every day. In the past two weeks they cleared all the vegetation from the Riverbank. Every time it rains much it seems they have to take a week or two off. Not that surprising since the area is such a major flood plain. They were working a lot up until the past few days with the rain.

The work they seem to be doing is digging the big lake and then raising the rest of the site with what they remove from there. Work is going on, but it doesn't seem they are in any hurry, that's for sure. I know they are waiting on the big pipeline and power lines to be moved from the site.

They did say they would have a year of earthwork and they've only been working since March and have said they are well behind schedule because of all the rain this year.