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« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2020, 01:00:42 pm »

That is precisely what Mayor Bynum's "A Better Way" program is built to do:

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A new program to offer homeless people employment was launched in Tulsa.

The City of Tulsa, Mental Health Association Oklahoma and the Tulsa Area United Way will all be a part of "A Better Way."

The homeless will be offered a day's wage in exchange for beautifying the city.

A van will drive around in Tulsa to areas where homeless tend to congregate on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays to transport them to jobs.

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/program-launched-to-employ-tulsa-homeless
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« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2020, 08:54:19 am »

That is precisely what Mayor Bynum's "A Better Way" program is built to do:

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/program-launched-to-employ-tulsa-homeless

That's great - I hadn't heard of it but it sounds like a good program. They should probably massively expand it and instead of giving people cash to go buy whatever, they give them vouchers that can only be used for food, clothing, and shelter. Or, offer them an actual 9-5 job with the city becoming their legal guardian in regard to how their paycheck can be spent. I understand there is no silver bullet to fixing homelessness and honestly not everyone wants a way out of that situation, but there needs to be a larger program in place that has various well-defined paths to becoming a functioning member of society for those that are serious about it. The rest we need to give Bus tickets to Dallas.  Grin
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« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2020, 09:10:09 am »

The next Vision sales tax package should have a funding source for homeless housing, IMO.  While it won’t solve the problem it would help get more of these people off the streets. 
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« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2020, 11:36:11 am »

That's great - I hadn't heard of it but it sounds like a good program. They should probably massively expand it and instead of giving people cash to go buy whatever, they give them vouchers that can only be used for food, clothing, and shelter. Or, offer them an actual 9-5 job with the city becoming their legal guardian in regard to how their paycheck can be spent. I understand there is no silver bullet to fixing homelessness and honestly not everyone wants a way out of that situation, but there needs to be a larger program in place that has various well-defined paths to becoming a functioning member of society for those that are serious about it. The rest we need to give Bus tickets to Dallas.  Grin

No, limiting their use of money and acting like a parent is a horrible, horrible idea. Housing first. Provide everything needed to care for themselves. Hire social workers to help, not restrictive laws and bureaucratic paternalism. Sure, some will continue the cycle regardless of how much help you give, but that is not a reason to stop trying. The majority who are able to escape the cycle is well worth the investment.
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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2020, 09:07:18 am »

No, limiting their use of money and acting like a parent is a horrible, horrible idea. Housing first. Provide everything needed to care for themselves. Hire social workers to help, not restrictive laws and bureaucratic paternalism. Sure, some will continue the cycle regardless of how much help you give, but that is not a reason to stop trying. The majority who are able to escape the cycle is well worth the investment.


"but there needs to be a larger program in place that has various well-defined paths to becoming a functioning member of society for those that are serious about it. The rest we need to give Bus tickets to Dallas."

I think Tulsabug was being a little humorous there, but he (and you) are moving in the same direction.   There has to be both carrot and stick in any solution of this type.   I definitely agree with "housing first".  Leverage a work-fare or similar program where the first need addressed is a safe place to reside, at a minimum simply for overnight stays.   That will be a good start to a good process that can help a lot of people.  But as you note, there will be those who, either by choice or due to mental health or chemical dependency or other factors, will not leverage this opportunity.   Simply accepting that scenario is not an option, either.   The end goal is to get everyone off the street.  Provide the carrots, but we will need to utilize "sticks" as well in order to fully address the situation.
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« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2020, 04:27:46 pm »


"but there needs to be a larger program in place that has various well-defined paths to becoming a functioning member of society for those that are serious about it. The rest we need to give Bus tickets to Dallas."

I think Tulsabug was being a little humorous there, but he (and you) are moving in the same direction.   There has to be both carrot and stick in any solution of this type.   I definitely agree with "housing first".  Leverage a work-fare or similar program where the first need addressed is a safe place to reside, at a minimum simply for overnight stays.   That will be a good start to a good process that can help a lot of people.  But as you note, there will be those who, either by choice or due to mental health or chemical dependency or other factors, will not leverage this opportunity.   Simply accepting that scenario is not an option, either.   The end goal is to get everyone off the street.  Provide the carrots, but we will need to utilize "sticks" as well in order to fully address the situation.

It does depend on the person. Giving someone with an alcohol or chemical dependency, especially those with self-destructive personalities, cash to do with what they will is just going to put them into the grave. Those people really do need a legal guardian as, when you hit a point with addiction, you don't have a choice any longer. That monkey will dictate that if you have money - you go buy more drugs or alcohol and nothing else. All I'm saying is the city can pay them in vouchers that can only be used for food and shelter - financial blinders if you will.

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They are still rocking along on this thing. They were working yesterday, on a Sunday.

5 stories now, and just about halfway to topping out.
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