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Title: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: kvanover on June 28, 2019, 01:43:02 pm
Well I guess we know what is going to happen to the old Spaghetti Warehouse building...

(From KOTV News on 6 website) TULSA, Oklahoma - WPX Energy announced plans to build a $100 million office complex at 222 North Detroit in downtown Tulsa. The new company headquarters will cover an entire block, and have an 11 story tower as part of a multi-level development that is six stories at the perimeter. The design features a public plaza and walkway between the Greenwood District and Arts District, and a parking garage with 700 spaces available for employees and the public.

It’s the first separate headquarters building in Tulsa for the company, which has offices now spanning seven floors of Williams Tower. WPX was created from Williams, but became a separate company in 2011. WPX plans to move into the 245,000 square foot building in early 2022.

The plans call for demolition of the former Spaghetti Warehouse building and another warehouse used for storage. Demolition equipment is already on site.

Company CEO Rick Moncrief said the design intentionally faces east to connect with the Greenwood District, and is designed to encourage public access to the two parks on either side of the building.

He noted while the company considered several locations in Texas, "After we looked at the culture we've developed here, we knew this was the right place."

Moncrief noted the closest wells owned by WPX are 550 miles away, but the company has had great success with recruiting employees in Tulsa, and attracting them to Tulsa from other cities.

WPX employs 450 people in Tulsa, with an annual payroll in excess of $55 million.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: Conan71 on June 28, 2019, 01:50:07 pm
I think this is a fair trade-off for the jobs created.  Brick warehouse is pretty ubiquitous in the Brady District, I really don't consider the demo a major loss for the area especially since office space will help residential and retail efforts within the IDL.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on June 28, 2019, 02:04:35 pm
I think this is a fair trade-off for the jobs created.  Brick warehouse is pretty ubiquitous in the Brady District, I really don't consider the demo a major loss for the area especially since office space will help residential and retail efforts within the IDL.

The best scenario would've been this development happening at Archer & Boulder, or one of the BOK lots along Archer or at Main & Cameron.  I'm just curious how they are planning to lay out the building on the site, how it interacts with Guthrie Green and Brady Street. 


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on June 28, 2019, 02:15:50 pm
I'm pretty sure this is the perspective from Brady & Detroit:
(https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/022046773943/media/124643453253/medium/1561753052/enhance)

And this is the perspective from Guthrie Green, I can't believe they are having the parking garage on this side.  An no park-facing retail space.  FAIL
(https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/022046773943/media/124643454322/medium/1561753126/enhance)

Honestly if you flipped this and had the Detroit side face MLK it would be 10x better.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: commonsense on June 28, 2019, 02:18:25 pm
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/87/e870ca25-0ccf-5bf9-8da9-37b48a7f8bdd/5d166f84884a5.image.jpg)
The front of the building faces east toward Oneok Field and John Hope Franklin Reconciliation Park

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/66/866c914c-99ae-5938-811b-7aa605894f6e/5d166f8461637.image.jpg)

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/03/803604ef-add8-53a8-a3ab-fec1601283bc/5d166f8417465.image.jpg)

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/60/960bbd43-507e-5616-8868-853dfeeab887/5d166f84b5ec4.image.jpg)

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/28/a28dc1a4-bdc3-5254-a4c1-e742202ca7ac/5d166f850d428.image.jpg)

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/0e/a0e56b88-8009-50a8-a1bd-394d9c7f2701/5d166f85824ff.image.jpg)


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on June 28, 2019, 03:44:27 pm
I'm pretty sure this is the perspective from Brady & Detroit:

And this is the perspective from Guthrie Green, I can't believe they are having the parking garage on this side.  An no park-facing retail space.  FAIL


Honestly if you flipped this and had the Detroit side face MLK it would be 10x better.

That's a bit harsh. I see what you're saying, but there's many counter points for why the positioning they picked is better. They are probably taking many things into consideration that we don't know about. There's no retail or anything "walkable" to the north of Guthrie Green. It's essentially a dead zone around there with the news station, whereas there's potential to the north and retail that is online to the East and SE, even if a block away. Maybe they wanted to connect to the Greenwood side and be closer to the hub over there including Elgin Park and some other restaurants (and Ross Group buidling going up). Maybe they just want to be a bit further from Guthrie Green for concert noise concerns.

Who knows if in the future they may expand either above the garage or on the empty part of the lot on the SW (might be a secret potential phase 2 we don't know of).

This is taking 2 old warehouse buildings that were apparently not salvageable at this point and turning them into a beautiful 11 story 260,000 square foot facility with 700 parking spaces in 1 place which will can replace many lots. It'll be convenient for those parking for First Friday, Ball-park and Guthrie Green. They didn't have to, but they are making 6,000 square feet of retail. Look around at all the many corporations who fail to do that for their HQs. This is a great win for Tulsa.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on June 28, 2019, 06:54:04 pm
Don’t get me wrong I think this is a great project.  I am just interested in seeing more details on how they treat the Guthrie Green frontage.  For retail it would probably make the most sense to concentrate that along Brady and have a restaurant space that opens out to the plaza on the southwest side.  Brady is an important corridor for people walking between Elgin/the ballpark and Main. 


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: DTowner on June 29, 2019, 08:30:28 am
The most exciting thing is the end result is going to end up actually looking like these awesome renderings unlike some other [cough] large downtown developments.

As for orientation, CEO said it was intentionally facing east towards Greenwood as an acknowledgement of the past and a connection to the future.

700 parking spaces will be a great addition and, combined with new Vast bank garage, will provide a lot of public parking in the area.  Hopefully that will expedite the demise of more surface lots.

As for the old Spaghetti Warehouse building, the flooding from the busted water pipe a few winters ago likely made a rehab of the building cost prohibitive if not impossible.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: Conan71 on June 30, 2019, 12:17:20 am
The most exciting thing is the end result is going to end up actually looking like these awesome renderings unlike some other [cough] large downtown developments.

As for orientation, CEO said it was intentionally facing east towards Greenwood as an acknowledgement of the past and a connection to the future.

700 parking spaces will be a great addition and, combined with new Vast bank garage, will provide a lot of public parking in the area.  Hopefully that will expedite the demise of more surface lots.

As for the old Spaghetti Warehouse building, the flooding from the busted water pipe a few winters ago likely made a rehab of the building cost prohibitive if not impossible.


The buildings this will eventually cover won't be missed in the future.  They were really utilitarian buildings which weren't "timeless" by any stretch of the imagination. The only historical significance to the Spaghetti Warehouse building is that it was a huge risk in 1991 or 1992 when we got one in Tulsa and there was barely any lifestyle development in the Brady in those days.  The food was nothing special but by having one open in Tulsa, it indicated we were on par with Dallas or KC in our region and it did inspire more other entrepreneurs and developers to give north downtown a shot.  We definitely owe the SW parent company some accolades for being a part of the genesis of Brady gentrification.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on June 30, 2019, 09:35:34 am
The buildings this will eventually cover won't be missed in the future.  They were really utilitarian buildings which weren't "timeless" by any stretch of the imagination. The only historical significance to the Spaghetti Warehouse building is that it was a huge risk in 1991 or 1992 when we got one in Tulsa and there was barely any lifestyle development in the Brady in those days.  The food was nothing special but by having one open in Tulsa, it indicated we were on par with Dallas or KC in our region and it did inspire more other entrepreneurs and developers to give north downtown a shot.  We definitely owe the SW parent company some accolades for being a part of the genesis of Brady gentrification.

Also Mexicali Border Cafe and Tom Wallace of Wallace Engineering


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: Weatherdemon on July 01, 2019, 09:28:46 am
Forgot how to upload an image to post but, Spaghetti Warehouse is no more...


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: Jeff P on July 01, 2019, 10:06:39 am
I think this is a FANTASTIC development.

I was seeing some people complain about it on Twitter because it wasn't an "arts/entertainment" development... but (IMO) you need developments like this to help anchor/spur further development in areas.

And I think it's a gorgeous building that fits in very well in the Arts/Greenwood District.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on July 01, 2019, 10:54:47 am
Don’t get me wrong I think this is a great project.  I am just interested in seeing more details on how they treat the Guthrie Green frontage.  For retail it would probably make the most sense to concentrate that along Brady and have a restaurant space that opens out to the plaza on the southwest side.  Brady is an important corridor for people walking between Elgin/the ballpark and Main. 

I see what you're saying. On the Guthrie Green side, it will always be a park, and while that may add more eyeballs for any retail restaurant, so far Guthrie Green has been a very tough place for restaurants (little to no walk-up customers most the time, with short spikes in demand). It is surrounded by News on 6, a block of manufacturing companies and block of museums. Not a great prospect for a future retail corridor. On the side WPX will front, there is a big parking lot next to Living Arts which could be turned into mixed use development along with a big building to the north begging for remodel.

I think this stretch specifically has potential to become something neat: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1603255,-95.9910573,3a,73.5y,320.13h,82.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBa7g6ruGDDUWfS_3KEdu7A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DBa7g6ruGDDUWfS_3KEdu7A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D162.12933%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1603255,-95.9910573,3a,73.5y,320.13h,82.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBa7g6ruGDDUWfS_3KEdu7A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DBa7g6ruGDDUWfS_3KEdu7A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D162.12933%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)

Imagine those garages and that blank building turned into a series of small shops, cafes, bars or artist-nooks with office and apartments upstairs. That building on right (North of new WPX) has a pretty nice facade on the east side with large garage doors that could be great storefronts that direction as well. Then there's a big empty lot to the north of that which would be a good spot for housing.  This WPX development brings in hundreds of new faces, 15,000 square feet of commercial space and 6,000 square feet of retail/restaurant. After this development, it looks like what the district needs is more residential.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on July 01, 2019, 10:58:28 am
I think this is a FANTASTIC development.

I was seeing some people complain about it on Twitter because it wasn't an "arts/entertainment" development... but (IMO) you need developments like this to help anchor/spur further development in areas.

And I think it's a gorgeous building that fits in very well in the Arts/Greenwood District.

I agree. Their argument isn't even valid. There's 6,000 square feet of retail space they can use for art/entertainment if someone wants. If there's a demand for more arts/entertainment or an arts organization needing a spot, this opens up more opportunity either downstairs or in the 15,000 square feet of other commercial space.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: erfalf on July 01, 2019, 11:35:00 am
Just curious what the lunch traffic is in the Brady area. I know in downtown Bartlesville, lunch crowds are good largely because there are about 3k-4k people working within blocks of a dozen or so restaurants.

I have to think this is a positive development for Brady in any way you could fathom.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: Jeff P on July 01, 2019, 12:00:24 pm
Just curious what the lunch traffic is in the Brady area. I know in downtown Bartlesville, lunch crowds are good largely because there are about 3k-4k people working within blocks of a dozen or so restaurants.

I have to think this is a positive development for Brady in any way you could fathom.

Depends on the day.  If the weather is nice, it's usually a pretty decent crowd. If the weather is nice and it's food truck Wednesday, then there's usually a really good crowd.

This is will definitely help with foot traffic I would think, but also consider a lot of those people would just walk to Brady from the BOK Tower anyway. I do that all the time myself.



Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on July 01, 2019, 04:12:24 pm
I see what you're saying. On the Guthrie Green side, it will always be a park, and while that may add more eyeballs for any retail restaurant, so far Guthrie Green has been a very tough place for restaurants (little to no walk-up customers most the time, with short spikes in demand). It is surrounded by News on 6, a block of manufacturing companies and block of museums. Not a great prospect for a future retail corridor. On the side WPX will front, there is a big parking lot next to Living Arts which could be turned into mixed use development along with a big building to the north begging for remodel.

I think this stretch specifically has potential to become something neat: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1603255,-95.9910573,3a,73.5y,320.13h,82.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBa7g6ruGDDUWfS_3KEdu7A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DBa7g6ruGDDUWfS_3KEdu7A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D162.12933%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1603255,-95.9910573,3a,73.5y,320.13h,82.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBa7g6ruGDDUWfS_3KEdu7A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DBa7g6ruGDDUWfS_3KEdu7A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D162.12933%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)

Imagine those garages and that blank building turned into a series of small shops, cafes, bars or artist-nooks with office and apartments upstairs. That building on right (North of new WPX) has a pretty nice facade on the east side with large garage doors that could be great storefronts that direction as well. Then there's a big empty lot to the north of that which would be a good spot for housing.  This WPX development brings in hundreds of new faces, 15,000 square feet of commercial space and 6,000 square feet of retail/restaurant. After this development, it looks like what the district needs is more residential.

I love that old building by Gypsy north of Cameron between Detroit and MLK.  That could be a very cool mixed-use development with office and/or housing.

The renderings make it look like the "tunnel" through the building lines up with the old east-west alley that runs through the site and also through the block to the east (north of Living Arts).  What would be really cool is to see some kind of new construction housing built on the parking next to JHF Park and an activated alley through there from Detroit to Elgin.  I think you'll eventually see the same thing happen along the alley next to Wallace/Magic City on the block to the south, if/when Wallace expands their building to the west of the surface lot at MLK & Brady.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: Weatherdemon on July 02, 2019, 07:58:12 am
Just curious what the lunch traffic is in the Brady area. I know in downtown Bartlesville, lunch crowds are good largely because there are about 3k-4k people working within blocks of a dozen or so restaurants.

I have to think this is a positive development for Brady in any way you could fathom.

I was told today that they are not putting in a cafeteria with the main driver being to help further support local eating establishments.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: shavethewhales on July 02, 2019, 10:58:27 am
They seem to be super focused on being good neighbors to the area. Almost feels like they were braced for some kind of blow-back for some reason? I know a few rando's have complained about tearing down the spaghetti warehouse, but that will be forgotten about within a week.

Maybe they just understand the culture of their younger workforce better. I've heard WPX is pretty focused on hiring younger engineers.

Either way, I personally believe this will be one of the most transformative downtown projects. A lot of people feel that office buildings can be a detriment to vibrant districts, but I feel like just about everything in this development is done pretty well. I would have liked some retail on the Guthrie Green side as well, but nothing is ever perfect.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: Jeff P on July 02, 2019, 12:52:16 pm
I was told today that they are not putting in a cafeteria with the main driver being to help further support local eating establishments.

I'm guessing the main driver is that it wouldn't be used much.  :)

We have a cafeteria in the BOK Tower and its use has been mostly decimated by the growth in food options downtown over the past 8-10 years.  When I first started here, that thing was almost always packed during lunch... back when there was like 4 options for eating downtown: McNellies, Mexicali, Spaghetti Warehouse or Billy's on the Square...  :D

Now unless it's ungodly cold/raining/snowing/etc., it's mostly empty.  There are too many other good options now versus using the "company cafeteria," no matter how good the food is... (and seriously it's actually pretty decent).


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: TulsaGoldenHurriCAN on July 02, 2019, 01:34:40 pm
They seem to be super focused on being good neighbors to the area. Almost feels like they were braced for some kind of blow-back for some reason? I know a few rando's have complained about tearing down the spaghetti warehouse, but that will be forgotten about within a week.

Maybe they just understand the culture of their younger workforce better. I've heard WPX is pretty focused on hiring younger engineers.

Either way, I personally believe this will be one of the most transformative downtown projects. A lot of people feel that office buildings can be a detriment to vibrant districts, but I feel like just about everything in this development is done pretty well. I would have liked some retail on the Guthrie Green side as well, but nothing is ever perfect.


It does seem like they wanted to be above reproach, and boy have they earned that. They went above and beyond what even this board would ask of most businesses. Imagine if someone bought it and just redid those buildings, keeping the parking as-is and converting to a small bit of retail and maybe upstairs office... could've been decades more of that pretty mediocre use of a whole city block. Investing $100 million to build something like this takes guts as a company. It does diversify them a bit, even if slightly. I hope it pays off for them long term.

Now we can dream that the smaller companies around there will grow and expand with mixed use developments onto their neighboring parking lots. Imagine Wallace building a mixed use development on their parking lot and activating that alley (which has the Artist Nooks that open up to alley). They could strike a parking deal with WPX. A 700 spot lot really opens that up as a possibility for places like Living Arts and other firms.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: Conan71 on July 05, 2019, 12:00:53 am
They seem to be super focused on being good neighbors to the area. Almost feels like they were braced for some kind of blow-back for some reason? I know a few rando's have complained about tearing down the spaghetti warehouse, but that will be forgotten about within a week.

Maybe they just understand the culture of their younger workforce better. I've heard WPX is pretty focused on hiring younger engineers.

Either way, I personally believe this will be one of the most transformative downtown projects. A lot of people feel that office buildings can be a detriment to vibrant districts, but I feel like just about everything in this development is done pretty well. I would have liked some retail on the Guthrie Green side as well, but nothing is ever perfect.

There's nothing particularly compelling about the building and Spaghetti Warehouse was like Casa Bonita: You could never find a Tulsan who ate there other than those compelled by their relatives from Arkansas to join them for some "fine dining".  All gain here, no loss.

You need to have a balance between arts, street-level commerce, jobs, residences, and the income to make it all work.  I think this is a huge win for the Brady and the renderings seem very compatible with the balance of the area.  I also believe the infill seems to be well-balanced thus far.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on July 07, 2019, 08:12:50 am
With a tower crane up at the Davenport Lofts site and this project getting started we’ll likely have two tower cranes up in the Arts District.  The View will have a crane too, it may be a self erector though since it’s mostly wood frame construction with a crawler crane for the concrete garage.  I’d be surprised if they have a tower crane, would be cool though.  Now we just need Santa Fe Square to get moving..


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on July 07, 2019, 08:20:47 am
I’m still interested in how the “tunnel” will connect to a future alley behind Living Arts and Elgin Park.  It seems like they are already planning for this alley to be a connection between Detroit and Elgin, with future development on these surface lots next to JHF Park.

(https://www.theguildcompany.com/s/cc_images/cache_4227327929.png)

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/66/866c914c-99ae-5938-811b-7aa605894f6e/5d166f8461637.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C675)


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: AdamsHall on July 07, 2019, 09:24:35 am
With a tower crane up at the Davenport Lofts site and this project getting started we’ll likely have two tower cranes up in the Arts District.  The View will have a crane too, it may be a self erector though since it’s mostly wood frame construction with a crawler crane for the concrete garage.  I’d be surprised if they have a tower crane, would be cool though.  Now we just need Santa Fe Square to get moving..

Yup ... and the two museum projects.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on July 07, 2019, 01:11:44 pm
Yup ... and the two museum projects.

Good point, OK Pop probably will have a tower crane not sure about the Bob Dylan archive, I don’t think they have released any exterior renderings.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: ComeOnBenjals on May 16, 2020, 07:43:47 pm
Trying to keep other threads active so the Downtown Development Thread doesn't get muddled.

WPX now has two cranes up... bringing the total for the Arts District to 4!

Exciting, exciting stuff.

(https://i.imgur.com/zkoLEiT.jpg)


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: shavethewhales on July 28, 2020, 08:17:33 am
(https://imgur.com/Hhi6nym.jpg)

They are now finally above ground level. Will be fun to watch this shoot up into the skyline. Something encouraging to watch during these times.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on July 28, 2020, 10:55:29 am
From last month so a little dated now but shows how big an excavation this was for the underground garage

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/103344691_10219882930678596_4085742280644325894_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=04vzgoyI2jcAX9P9oSS&_nc_oc=AQmudgI_TQVIHIz5evQFkMnQ2AZR0CsX6AWM1_PFOqgAd4fhkUsdZKYQC_VeuFe1Nus&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b74da3df27ccfa8d48609ec658a36dda&oe=5F4513C2)


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: LeGenDz on July 29, 2020, 10:43:51 am
They are now finally above ground level. Will be fun to watch this shoot up into the skyline. Something encouraging to watch during these times.

I don't think they are above ground yet. I took these Saturday.

(https://i.ibb.co/3fPLLzk/2020-07-25-22-21-02.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/w7G6xnC/2020-07-25-22-21-16.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/47MmqNh/2020-07-25-22-21-19.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/c2gGVxC/2020-07-25-22-21-28.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/vX6vyZJ/2020-07-25-22-36-57.jpg)



Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: AdamsHall on July 30, 2020, 11:13:38 am
I don't think they are above ground yet. I took these Saturday.
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I drove by this morning, and they are definitely above ground on the South East corner of the building.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on August 03, 2020, 04:43:56 pm
From Flintco's social media with Davenport Lofts in the background.

(https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E22AQH0Sf5UdXGEQQ/feedshare-shrink_2048_1536/0?e=1599091200&v=beta&t=9Xr1D5lQ0Vja2EAaT2d7bSJWX5z5tdRANsUWnus18Dc)


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: shavethewhales on August 27, 2020, 08:01:46 am
(https://imgur.com/R3tyCOe.jpg)

From last Friday. Really getting off the ground now.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: shavethewhales on September 08, 2020, 12:32:51 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/RKeSujE.jpeg)

Still plugging away. Not a jump in height yet, but it wraps around the block, so there's been a lot of progress. The basement on this thing is so huge, and they are still finishing the substructure on the west side.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on September 17, 2020, 11:09:40 am
Some recent pics of the concrete pumping operation

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Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: D-TownTulsan on September 19, 2020, 03:34:16 pm
The scale of this thing is really impressive.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: shavethewhales on September 25, 2020, 01:10:41 pm
(https://imgur.com/24e27tF.jpg)


(https://imgur.com/v4vTly2.jpg)

The floor heights are pretty tall, so this is starting to dominate the area already. Looks like they'll jump another floor soon.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on November 09, 2020, 09:34:50 am
WPX rising with a beautiful John Hope Reconciliation Park in the foreground

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/124230146_781195832458316_3463213795622234440_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=U8d1a6MLHh8AX9EiYXn&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=289f57762686a9560104fbb3c9c88857&oe=5FCFABC2)


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: Urban Enthusiast on November 09, 2020, 05:34:24 pm
^ That's a pretty spectacular picture!  I wonder if there has been any movement on who will occupy this building once complete? 


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: DowntownDan on November 11, 2020, 12:12:00 pm
I think it's been discussed before, but why is John Hope Franklin Park fenced off? Are they really that concerned about vandalism? It just doesn't feel like a city park, it feels like a private museum that only a select few get to actually enjoy. I would hope some philanthropists could create an endowment to fund vandalism repairs in real time if it happens, and to install cameras to shame those who would vandalize such a special place.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on November 11, 2020, 01:12:27 pm
I think it's been discussed before, but why is John Hope Franklin Park fenced off? Are they really that concerned about vandalism? It just doesn't feel like a city park, it feels like a private museum that only a select few get to actually enjoy. I would hope some philanthropists could create an endowment to fund vandalism repairs in real time if it happens, and to install cameras to shame those who would vandalize such a special place.

Probably so it doesn't turn into a homeless camp like this park in Salem OR

https://kval.com/news/local/salem-camping-ban-backfires-as-oregon-capital-city-struggles-with-homeless-crisis (https://kval.com/news/local/salem-camping-ban-backfires-as-oregon-capital-city-struggles-with-homeless-crisis)

(https://kval.com/resources/media/be3693f0-7050-4ba0-a42c-3975ba9ce288-large16x9_SalemHomelesscampcaptioned.jpg?1578509165290)

Or this one in Portland

https://katu.com/news/homeless-crisis-the-best-we-can-do/neighbors-of-laurelhurst-park-press-for-action-on-homeless-camp (https://katu.com/news/homeless-crisis-the-best-we-can-do/neighbors-of-laurelhurst-park-press-for-action-on-homeless-camp)

(https://katu.com/resources/media/dad106f2-8421-4592-a0d9-c37ab7811b1b-medium16x9_HomelessCamp7captioned.jpg?1597189932601)


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: DowntownDan on November 12, 2020, 03:56:21 pm
Couldn't that be said of any city park, including downtown? Why hasn't Guthrie Green, or Chapman Green, or Centennial Park turned into "homeless camps" like Portland, etc.? That logic could be used to ever open new parks in downtown, and I would fight to the death for more parks as opposed to less.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on November 12, 2020, 04:02:23 pm
I think it's been discussed before, but why is John Hope Franklin Park fenced off? Are they really that concerned about vandalism? It just doesn't feel like a city park, it feels like a private museum that only a select few get to actually enjoy. I would hope some philanthropists could create an endowment to fund vandalism repairs in real time if it happens, and to install cameras to shame those who would vandalize such a special place.

It has a fence around it but several entrance points off Elgin and Detroit

Complete side note, is there anything planned for the vacant brick building across from WPX and next to the Gypsy on Detroit?  It's an awesome building, fairly large too.  Maybe one of the largest empty buildings left in this part of downtown.  I've always thought it would be a good spot for future OSU expansion into the Arts District.

I'd love to see Living Arts and artists lofts expand onto the parking lot to the north next to JHF Park.  Now that Flintco has moved into the building next to it (where Elgin Park is located) they will likely keep that parking lot behind the building.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: dbacksfan 2.0 on November 12, 2020, 05:07:39 pm
Couldn't that be said of any city park, including downtown? Why hasn't Guthrie Green, or Chapman Green, or Centennial Park turned into "homeless camps" like Portland, etc.? That logic could be used to ever open new parks in downtown, and I would fight to the death for more parks as opposed to less.

Probably because the COT & TPD enforces no camping laws for the parks unlike cities along the west coast that quit enforcing those laws a few years ago.

https://kval.com/news/local/camping-is-illegal-in-eugene-people-camp-in-eugene-whats-next (https://kval.com/news/local/camping-is-illegal-in-eugene-people-camp-in-eugene-whats-next)

You have state and Federal courts that are ruling that laws against panhandling are a violation of the homeless persons 1st Amendment rights.

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A federal appellate court struck down Springfield, Ill.’s ban on panhandling, in light of a landmark First Amendment case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court in June, Reed v. Town of Gilbert. The decision by the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals demonstrates how Reed is a momentous decision that strengthened protections for free speech across the board.

Springfield banned panhandling in its “downtown historic district,” which, as the 7th Circuit noted, involved “less than 2% of the City’s area but contain[ed] its principal shopping, entertainment, and governmental areas, including the Statehouse and many state-government buildings.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2015/09/01/federal-court-ban-on-panhandling-violates-homeless-peoples-constitutional-rights/?sh=80b7a5a12e75 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2015/09/01/federal-court-ban-on-panhandling-violates-homeless-peoples-constitutional-rights/?sh=80b7a5a12e75)

And you can't arrest a homeless person for being homeless.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cities-arrest-homeless-problems-71511969 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cities-arrest-homeless-problems-71511969)


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: tulsabug on November 13, 2020, 09:59:36 am
Probably because the COT & TPD enforces no camping laws for the parks unlike cities along the west coast that quit enforcing those laws a few years ago.

https://kval.com/news/local/camping-is-illegal-in-eugene-people-camp-in-eugene-whats-next (https://kval.com/news/local/camping-is-illegal-in-eugene-people-camp-in-eugene-whats-next)

You have state and Federal courts that are ruling that laws against panhandling are a violation of the homeless persons 1st Amendment rights.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2015/09/01/federal-court-ban-on-panhandling-violates-homeless-peoples-constitutional-rights/?sh=80b7a5a12e75 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2015/09/01/federal-court-ban-on-panhandling-violates-homeless-peoples-constitutional-rights/?sh=80b7a5a12e75)

And you can't arrest a homeless person for being homeless.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cities-arrest-homeless-problems-71511969 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cities-arrest-homeless-problems-71511969)

It's ironic there are laws which attempt to prevent homeless people from sleeping somewhere and trying to eat and punish them by putting them in jail so they can sleep and eat there instead and we pay for it. Why doesn't the city just hire them to do various manual labor like picking up trash and such and give them a small paycheck and a place to stay and food. It seemed to work well during the old WPA programs.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: Dspike on November 13, 2020, 01:00:42 pm
That is precisely what Mayor Bynum's "A Better Way" program is built to do:

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A new program to offer homeless people employment was launched in Tulsa.

The City of Tulsa, Mental Health Association Oklahoma and the Tulsa Area United Way will all be a part of "A Better Way."

The homeless will be offered a day's wage in exchange for beautifying the city.

A van will drive around in Tulsa to areas where homeless tend to congregate on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays to transport them to jobs.

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/program-launched-to-employ-tulsa-homeless


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: tulsabug on November 16, 2020, 08:54:19 am
That is precisely what Mayor Bynum's "A Better Way" program is built to do:

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/program-launched-to-employ-tulsa-homeless

That's great - I hadn't heard of it but it sounds like a good program. They should probably massively expand it and instead of giving people cash to go buy whatever, they give them vouchers that can only be used for food, clothing, and shelter. Or, offer them an actual 9-5 job with the city becoming their legal guardian in regard to how their paycheck can be spent. I understand there is no silver bullet to fixing homelessness and honestly not everyone wants a way out of that situation, but there needs to be a larger program in place that has various well-defined paths to becoming a functioning member of society for those that are serious about it. The rest we need to give Bus tickets to Dallas.  ;D


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: SXSW on November 16, 2020, 09:10:09 am
The next Vision sales tax package should have a funding source for homeless housing, IMO.  While it won’t solve the problem it would help get more of these people off the streets. 


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: DowntownDan on November 18, 2020, 11:36:11 am
That's great - I hadn't heard of it but it sounds like a good program. They should probably massively expand it and instead of giving people cash to go buy whatever, they give them vouchers that can only be used for food, clothing, and shelter. Or, offer them an actual 9-5 job with the city becoming their legal guardian in regard to how their paycheck can be spent. I understand there is no silver bullet to fixing homelessness and honestly not everyone wants a way out of that situation, but there needs to be a larger program in place that has various well-defined paths to becoming a functioning member of society for those that are serious about it. The rest we need to give Bus tickets to Dallas.  ;D

No, limiting their use of money and acting like a parent is a horrible, horrible idea. Housing first. Provide everything needed to care for themselves. Hire social workers to help, not restrictive laws and bureaucratic paternalism. Sure, some will continue the cycle regardless of how much help you give, but that is not a reason to stop trying. The majority who are able to escape the cycle is well worth the investment.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: rebound on November 20, 2020, 09:07:18 am
No, limiting their use of money and acting like a parent is a horrible, horrible idea. Housing first. Provide everything needed to care for themselves. Hire social workers to help, not restrictive laws and bureaucratic paternalism. Sure, some will continue the cycle regardless of how much help you give, but that is not a reason to stop trying. The majority who are able to escape the cycle is well worth the investment.


"but there needs to be a larger program in place that has various well-defined paths to becoming a functioning member of society for those that are serious about it. The rest we need to give Bus tickets to Dallas."

I think Tulsabug was being a little humorous there, but he (and you) are moving in the same direction.   There has to be both carrot and stick in any solution of this type.   I definitely agree with "housing first".  Leverage a work-fare or similar program where the first need addressed is a safe place to reside, at a minimum simply for overnight stays.   That will be a good start to a good process that can help a lot of people.  But as you note, there will be those who, either by choice or due to mental health or chemical dependency or other factors, will not leverage this opportunity.   Simply accepting that scenario is not an option, either.   The end goal is to get everyone off the street.  Provide the carrots, but we will need to utilize "sticks" as well in order to fully address the situation.


Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: tulsabug on November 20, 2020, 04:27:46 pm

"but there needs to be a larger program in place that has various well-defined paths to becoming a functioning member of society for those that are serious about it. The rest we need to give Bus tickets to Dallas."

I think Tulsabug was being a little humorous there, but he (and you) are moving in the same direction.   There has to be both carrot and stick in any solution of this type.   I definitely agree with "housing first".  Leverage a work-fare or similar program where the first need addressed is a safe place to reside, at a minimum simply for overnight stays.   That will be a good start to a good process that can help a lot of people.  But as you note, there will be those who, either by choice or due to mental health or chemical dependency or other factors, will not leverage this opportunity.   Simply accepting that scenario is not an option, either.   The end goal is to get everyone off the street.  Provide the carrots, but we will need to utilize "sticks" as well in order to fully address the situation.

It does depend on the person. Giving someone with an alcohol or chemical dependency, especially those with self-destructive personalities, cash to do with what they will is just going to put them into the grave. Those people really do need a legal guardian as, when you hit a point with addiction, you don't have a choice any longer. That monkey will dictate that if you have money - you go buy more drugs or alcohol and nothing else. All I'm saying is the city can pay them in vouchers that can only be used for food and shelter - financial blinders if you will.



Title: Re: WPX Downtown HQ
Post by: shavethewhales on November 23, 2020, 11:02:15 am
(https://imgur.com/f0D5qa5.jpg)

They are still rocking along on this thing. They were working yesterday, on a Sunday.

5 stories now, and just about halfway to topping out.