11TH ST DEVELOPMENT

[LandArchPoke]

The 11th & Lewis Mixed-use development is supposed to break ground in Q1 or Q2 2021. Financing is in place I believe so it's a matter of getting construction docs and permits ready.

251 units, rents will range from low $1,100 per month for the smallest one bedroom to over $2,500 per month for the largest two bedroom units and three bedroom units. Rooftop deck for the apartment complex facing downtown. 2 story Route 66 Museum on the corner of Lewis & 11th still similar size that was mentioned prior. 

Architecture firm: https://www.hcm2.com/studios/housing-mixed-use/

Not sure if these are the renderings that have been posted but I think these more closely resemble what is planned to be built and looks like the courtyard area is going to be more open to the street which is a good thing versus some of the other renderings I've seen where it's more closed off.

[SXSW]

Absolute game changer for this part of town.  This area along with the stretch of 11th between Peoria and Utica have seen a lot of positive changes.  Hopefully the “gaps” in between them are next between Utica and the tracks, and also the stretch next to TU.

[TheArtist]

I give it a B-   

1. Having the museum on the corner, while great to have the museum, will create a dead zone there.  As designed, and that could change, only once in a blue moon would anyone be standing out in front of it there, otherwise "boring looking dead zone with no pedestrians". Especially with the lot of trees and grass behind it going up Lewis.  But if they want any potential retail corridor to end in this area and keep it quiet and residential, that will work.

2. I get the covered area will be great for "showing cars, festivals, etc." but the majority/rest of the time it again "pushes the lively pedestrian streetscape" further back from the sidewalk. Giving up one thing, for another.  Will have to see how it plays out in real life.  If they are able to bring any new development on the opposite side of the street up to the sidewalk, that might help, but even there, I wouldn't put my retail business there as the risk is the street will often feel too quiet and thus not as attractive as say the core of Brookside or Cherry Street. 

It's a good development in a way, but not good if the intent is to create a lively pedestrian corridor up and down Lewis "fail" up and down 11th, "ok-ish".

[Tulsan]

The 11th & Lewis Mixed-use development is supposed to break ground in Q1 or Q2 2021. Financing is in place I believe so it's a matter of getting construction docs and permits ready.

251 units, rents will range from low $1,100 per month for the smallest one bedroom to over $2,500 per month for the largest two bedroom units and three bedroom units. Rooftop deck for the apartment complex facing downtown. 2 story Route 66 Museum on the corner of Lewis & 11th still similar size that was mentioned prior. 

Architecture firm: https://www.hcm2.com/studios/housing-mixed-use/

Not sure if these are the renderings that have been posted but I think these more closely resemble what is planned to be built and looks like the courtyard area is going to be more open to the street which is a good thing versus some of the other renderings I've seen where it's more closed off.

Where did you find the renderings--is that public yet? 

[DTowner]

I give it a B-   
It's a good development in a way, but not good if the intent is to create a lively pedestrian corridor up and down Lewis "fail" up and down 11th, "ok-ish".

In fairness, the museum is celebrating a highway....

[SXSW]

Does this mean the Route 66 Museum originally planned for SW Blvd & Riverside won’t be happening?  I personally liked that concept and location next to the Avery Bridge.  I wonder what happens to that site now?

[TheArtist]

Does this mean the Route 66 Museum originally planned for SW Blvd & Riverside won’t be happening?  I personally liked that concept and location next to the Avery Bridge.  I wonder what happens to that site now?

Though I have great respect for the folks wanting the museum on Riverside, I do think that having one here is better.  I no longer have a shop in the Mother Road Market, but this will be great for all those local shops and restaurants in the area. Spending money to build a museum on SW Blvd & Riverside would benefit no one really. There is only so much money out there to do these things and you know people like me who are pushing to build something great, to grow our dreams and make the city better.... would really appreciate the money being spent in ways that can have synergies with what we are working on as well. 

Been keeping tabs on what other areas along Route 66 are planning, including some pretty impressive resort type developments.  The competition is going to be tough.

What places are people going to drive past and point.
What places will people stop, get out of their cars, take a quick photo and then leave to make it to their hotel destination? (you can only do so much in a day)
What places will people decide to stay for several hours or even stay the night?
What places will people decide to stay for a few days?


The last 2 are what I would like to see Tulsa aim for.   If we spread things out too much and don't have one or two great stops where people can stay for several hours (see some sights, shop, eat, see some more sights) then we will continue to be the first two.

And we need to think about this in terms of competing sites up and down Route 66 that will be saying (Stay here! we have all of this!)

Santa Fe is a great example of a place along Route 66 where you can stay the night and spend a day or even two, seeing lots of sights, shopping and dining in their downtown and arts district which you can take in entirely on foot once you get to your hotel.

[Vision 2025]

Does this mean the Route 66 Museum originally planned for SW Blvd & Riverside won’t be happening?  I personally liked that concept and location next to the Avery Bridge.  I wonder what happens to that site now?

To date the level of private fund raising necessary to augment the Vision 2025 necessary for that concept has not been successful.

[SXSW]

To date the level of private fund raising necessary to augment the Vision 2025 necessary for that concept has not been successful.

I guess I wonder what happens to that site if the museum goes in at 11th & Lewis?  It’s a great site for...something other than an empty lot at the western gateway to downtown.