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« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2012, 02:21:46 pm »

Then for heaven's sake go buy up some real estate over there before people start to realize a neighborhood bar er..casino is a boon to them. My experience cruising real estate listings is that they never tout "near the new casino!" as a selling feature.

I would merely point out the lovely sign in front of the casino on Riverside, the traffic jam along I-44 near Catoosa, and the lovely approach to the "pimple on the hill" casino off Apache as indicators of why people, who moved to get away from the city, might be somewhat concerned. Then I would check the crime rates in those areas before and after construction. Lastly, I would inquire to the city as to whether my tax dollars would be spent to widen and improve access to a facility that isn't on the tax rolls and what accommodations they have made for other city services like fire, police, water and sewage. Then I would note that it isn't that far from a huge soccer/baseball complex that is heavily used by families.

These operations suck disposable dollars out of a community and replace them with all the problems that usually accompany a drinking, gambling, entertainment facility. Really, BA has always been hesitant to even allow mixed drinks in restaurants, multiple story buildings, and other big city amenities. I feel for them.  

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« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2012, 02:22:37 pm »

Casinos do so much to enrich the surrounding location.  I mean, come on, just look at what it has done for Catoosa.  All those businesses that used to run down 193rd were just a blight that needed to be removed.

But think of all the jobs the casino created...

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« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2012, 02:31:06 pm »

But think of all the jobs the casino created...



At slave wages?
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« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2012, 02:43:08 pm »

At slave wages?

Depends on whether you consider minimum wage "slave wage" or not.

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« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2012, 03:12:03 pm »

Depends on whether you consider minimum wage "slave wage" or not.



Dealers can clean up pretty good, so can cocktail waitresses.  Otherwise, pretty much more minimum wage work.  However, if it's created jobs for people who otherwise would be on the government dole, I really don't have a problem with it.  I choose not to gamble in casinos and I figure at some point they will hit a saturation level and good old supply and demand will dictate the survivors in the casino business.

Could anyone help but notice in the news paper article earlier that it appears the "operation" of the casino will be with an outfit out of Miami, Fla?
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« Reply #50 on: January 04, 2012, 03:22:14 pm »

Dealers can clean up pretty good, so can cocktail waitresses.  Otherwise, pretty much more minimum wage work.  However, if it's created jobs for people who otherwise would be on the government dole, I really don't have a problem with it.  I choose not to gamble in casinos and I figure at some point they will hit a saturation level and good old supply and demand will dictate the survivors in the casino business.

Could anyone help but notice in the news paper article earlier that it appears the "operation" of the casino will be with an outfit out of Miami, Fla?

Mafia.

That's who taught the Indians how to do it.



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« Reply #51 on: January 04, 2012, 03:45:19 pm »

I didn't say I was in favor of the casino. I was just asking for confirmation of aquaman's assumption that property values would go down near the casino.

This is a plot of land made possible by the turnpike entrance. It is not walkable from any of the other nearby properties. It will probably generate interest in commercial development of other parts of that turnpike off-ramp. That clearly happened in the casino in Catoosa. That east Tulsa County place has the busiest QuikTrip I know and lots of chain restaurants.

I would bet the property values of any turnpike off-ramp would skyrocket if suddenly thousands of more cars a day were exiting there. But I don't have proof and just asked if he did.
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« Reply #52 on: January 04, 2012, 04:26:33 pm »

I didn't say I was in favor of the casino. I was just asking for confirmation of aquaman's assumption that property values would go down near the casino.

This is a plot of land made possible by the turnpike entrance. It is not walkable from any of the other nearby properties. It will probably generate interest in commercial development of other parts of that turnpike off-ramp. That clearly happened in the casino in Catoosa. That east Tulsa County place has the busiest QuikTrip I know and lots of chain restaurants.

I would bet the property values of any turnpike off-ramp would skyrocket if suddenly thousands of more cars a day were exiting there. But I don't have proof and just asked if he did.

I just hope it doesn't turn into a cross-walk clusterf*ck for cyclists and runners like there is now at the River Spirit in Riverside.  I'm seeing more and more heated confrontations between pedestrians and uneducated drivers who think it's perfectly fine to block a cross-walk while waiting for their light.
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« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2012, 04:33:50 pm »

I just hope it doesn't turn into a cross-walk clusterf*ck for cyclists and runners like there is now at the River Spirit in Riverside.  I'm seeing more and more heated confrontations between pedestrians and uneducated drivers who think it's perfectly fine to block a cross-walk while waiting for their light.

If there were more sidewalks in this town maybe those drivers would know how to use a crosswalk.
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« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2012, 05:49:35 pm »

But think of all the jobs the casino created...


Oh, you mean the jobs that are reserved for those of a specific bloodline, and only doled out to others as a last resort?
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« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2012, 07:07:57 pm »

I didn't say I was in favor of the casino. I was just asking for confirmation of aquaman's assumption that property values would go down near the casino.

This is a plot of land made possible by the turnpike entrance. It is not walkable from any of the other nearby properties. It will probably generate interest in commercial development of other parts of that turnpike off-ramp. That clearly happened in the casino in Catoosa. That east Tulsa County place has the busiest QuikTrip I know and lots of chain restaurants.

I would bet the property values of any turnpike off-ramp would skyrocket if suddenly thousands of more cars a day were exiting there. But I don't have proof and just asked if he did.

There is a lot more at stake than property values as I indicated. Stats about real estate values would not only be hard to find, since little choice suburban housing existed around each of the other casinos, but would also be a different story entirely. How do you compare location in a suburban family oriented city to the 193rd exit off heavily traveled I-44 or the Riverside location sitting on land that no one else could have developed due to flood plain limitations or the 36th street casino that sits across from a salvage and next to an abandoned airstrip?

There is very little if any walkable locations in BA and the development around the Catoosa casino is...sketchy to say the least. Its truck stop stuff.

One thing to consider is that there was planned development of upscale housing on the hills just south of the 36th street North location. Five years ago. Now much of it is industrial, the lovely salvage property and an empty air strip. Those who know me know I don't have much love for the BA or their lifestyle, but they do deserve the choice to avoid such stuff.
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« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2012, 08:04:48 pm »

Oh, you mean the jobs that are reserved for those of a specific bloodline, and only doled out to others as a last resort?

So, you've applied there before too?

Just think, they also didn't go with the best building contractors, just the ones who matched their heritage. The concrete work alone in front of the hotel at the Catoosa location tells the story.
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« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2012, 08:26:55 pm »

So, you've applied there before too?

Just think, they also didn't go with the best building contractors, just the ones who matched their heritage. The concrete work alone in front of the hotel at the Catoosa location tells the story.
I worked at Catoosa for four years.  Only managed to get hired on after six months of busting my donkey through a temp agency.  And it was always a them and me mentality.  So much racism it was ridiculous.  And yeah, I saw enough of their hiring practices to say that race is a driving factor there.  And you are correct about them also having the preference with contractors.
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« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2012, 12:57:41 am »

And I believe the tribes are exempt from all EOE and Affirmative Action regs as well.
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« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2012, 07:41:40 am »

And I believe the tribes are exempt from all EOE and Affirmative Action regs as well.

Believe you're correct...it's all part of that 'sovereignty' thing.
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