Police misconduct 2

[Vashta Nerada]

I've had some really bad dealings with Tulsa cops. But then there's been some that've been really great. I think it's like any job where someone has authority, there's some bad apples & there's good ones. But it's possible too that people that crave that kind of dominance & aggression might seek out positions of authority.

The "bad apple" analogy tends to be used when departments need to sacrafice a poor player that got caught.

For every one JJ Gray or Jimmie Dean Stohler, there are countless more who just havent seen the light of a cellphone camera.
Can you have a whole department that is bad?  The top cops think so, and Tulsa is more like Ferguson than we care to acknowledge.



No city in America better illustrates government run amok than Ferguson, Missouri.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/the-conservative-ambivalence-about-abuses-in-ferguson-department-of-justice-michael-brown/387196/

[DolfanBob]

And this older Cop should have known better. I'm sure this isn't the first offense of his rage of power. Another video justice for the innocent people these out of control badge bullies assault.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3022375/NYPD-detective-caught-spouting-racist-rant-Uber-driver-stripped-badge-gun-tossed-terrorism-division.html

[patric]

And this older Cop should have known better. I'm sure this isn't the first offense of his rage of power. Another video justice for the innocent people these out of control badge bullies assault.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3022375/NYPD-detective-caught-spouting-racist-rant-Uber-driver-stripped-badge-gun-tossed-terrorism-division.html

They took him off their Terrorism squad for a couple of weeks and will make him take a sensitivity powerpoint.
In our neck of the woods, a Tulsa reserve deputy shot and killed a fleeing man this morning.

[Vashta Nerada]

A 73-year-old reserve deputy who shot and killed a fleeing suspect Thursday during an undercover operation believed he was holding a Taser, not a gun, when the shooting occurred.

The reserve deputy who shot the man is Robert Charles Bates, a Tulsa insurance company executive who was working undercover Thursday as a member of the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office Violent Crimes Task Force.
Bates, who owns an insurance company, served as chairman of the Re-elect Sheriff (Stanley) Glanz Committee in 2012 and donated $2,500 to Glanz's campaign that year.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/reserve-deputy-who-shot-killed-man-thought-he-drew-his/article_67394595-5b09-59d1-a791-ae543e4cfcd1.html





Flashback............



OAKLAND -- The firing of the lead BART officer the night Oscar Grant III was shot and killed at the Fruitvale Station has been upheld by an arbitrator's ruling, a BART spokeswoman confirmed Tuesday.
BART fired former Officer Anthony Pirone, 42, in May 2010 following the investigation into the 22-year-old Hayward's man death at the hands of former Officer Johannes Mesherle, who testified at criminal and civil trials that he mistook his gun for a Taser when he fatally shot Grant in the back on New Year's Day 2009.
The shooting caught on video several times over led to Mehserle being charged with murder and convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
Many blamed Pirone -- the first officer on the scene -- for escalating the tensions between officers and spectators before the shooting. Video of the incident showed Pirone acting aggressively, grabbing one of Grant's friends by the hair, shoving and punching Grant, and hurling racial epithets.
Pirone's partner that night, Officer Marysol Domenici, was also fired, over for allegedly lying to investigators who probed Grant's death, but she later won her job back with back pay when an arbitrator ruled.

[DolfanBob]

What the He!! is a 73 year old man doing going undercover with the Sheriff's Department?
Sounds like a ride along perk from that 25 Hundo he gave his buddy Stan.  

[DolfanBob]

"His intentions were to be courteous and they got into an argument" Bullshite! Not only is he a Badge Bully. He's a liar too. The man never argued with this hothead A-hole but he goes on local Television and apologies and tries to put it back on the Uber driver. There was no we in that argument. He got caught and now he's trying to save face with the public. I hope he gets a little NY style kindness when he's recognized out and about. The same kind he gives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3025042/I-let-emotions-better-Cop-apologizes-screaming-Uber-driver.html

[Hoss]

"His intentions were to be courteous and they got into an argument" Bullshite! Not only is he a Badge Bully. He's a liar too. The man never argued with this hothead A-hole but he goes on local Television and apologies and tries to put it back on the Uber driver. There was no we in that argument. He got caught and now he's trying to save face with the public. I hope he gets a little NY style kindness when he's recognized out and about. The same kind he gives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3025042/I-let-emotions-better-Cop-apologizes-screaming-Uber-driver.html

Watch out DB, certain members of this forum *might* equate you to Patric should you call out LEO like that.

[patric]

Watch out DB, certain members of this forum *might* equate you to Patric should you call out LEO like that.

Now Hoss, you're better than that.   The tweaker that laid into the cab driver got the critical attention he deserved.

"No good cop can watch that without a wince," Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said Wednesday of the video.
"All good cops know that the officer just made their jobs a little bit harder."

[Hoss]

Now Hoss, you're better than that.   The tweaker that laid into the cab driver got the critical attention he deserved.

"No good cop can watch that without a wince," Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said Wednesday of the video.
"All good cops know that the officer just made their jobs a little bit harder."

Wasn't a slight on you..just sayin'...

[Breadburner]

A 73-year-old reserve deputy who shot and killed a fleeing suspect Thursday during an undercover operation believed he was holding a Taser, not a gun, when the shooting occurred.

The reserve deputy who shot the man is Robert Charles Bates, a Tulsa insurance company executive who was working undercover Thursday as a member of the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office Violent Crimes Task Force.
Bates, who owns an insurance company, served as chairman of the Re-elect Sheriff (Stanley) Glanz Committee in 2012 and donated $2,500 to Glanz's campaign that year.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/reserve-deputy-who-shot-killed-man-thought-he-drew-his/article_67394595-5b09-59d1-a791-ae543e4cfcd1.html


Flashback............



OAKLAND -- The firing of the lead BART officer the night Oscar Grant III was shot and killed at the Fruitvale Station has been upheld by an arbitrator's ruling, a BART spokeswoman confirmed Tuesday.
BART fired former Officer Anthony Pirone, 42, in May 2010 following the investigation into the 22-year-old Hayward's man death at the hands of former Officer Johannes Mesherle, who testified at criminal and civil trials that he mistook his gun for a Taser when he fatally shot Grant in the back on New Year's Day 2009.
The shooting caught on video several times over led to Mehserle being charged with murder and convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
Many blamed Pirone -- the first officer on the scene -- for escalating the tensions between officers and spectators before the shooting. Video of the incident showed Pirone acting aggressively, grabbing one of Grant's friends by the hair, shoving and punching Grant, and hurling racial epithets.
Pirone's partner that night, Officer Marysol Domenici, was also fired, over for allegedly lying to investigators who probed Grant's death, but she later won her job back with back pay when an arbitrator ruled.

Whoopsie.....!!!

[DolfanBob]

Watch out DB, certain members of this forum *might* equate you to Patric should you call out LEO like that.

It's all good. His actions just remind me of someone I know and despise. Power trip guys like him have gotten away with that kind of behavior all these years and even when caught or confronted about it. Still lie and deny. Saying your sorry and meaning it just seems impossible to personalities like his.

[cannon_fodder]

Trying to break this down to bare facts:

A (retired?) insurance agent donates the max amount of money to the Sheriff's re-election campaign. He is appointed as the campaign adviser to the campaign. When the Sheriff is re-elected the man is named a reserve deputy.

The Sheriff then sends said man out on a firearms related "sting" operation with a gun and a Taser. Shockingly, the suspect doesn't want to be arrested for a firearms violation and attempts to flee. There is no attempt by the suspect to threaten or harm the officer. The officer than reaches for his weapon and fires at the suspect, killing him.

The shooter later states that he confused his Taser and his firearm.

- - -

If this is true, there are many things wrong with it. Ending with the fact that by policy the Taser should be a distinct drawing motion from the firearm such that these things do not happen. Also, the Taser usually has a separate and distinct safety mechanism that many LEO firearms do not (Glocks, for example).

Unfortunately, taken as true this is an instance in which a County Sheriff negligently killed a citizen. While it appears that the citizen that was killed was a bad person, the officer did not make an informed decision to execute him. The officer was not threatened and forced to react. Rather, the officer accidentally killed a citizen. While it was a bad person in this instance, no reason why such a thing couldn't happen to any person they "meant" to subdue and accidentally kill (a drunk at a football game, a mentally ill person [wait, we just shoot them isntead of trying to tase them), etc.

Bad news all around.

[Breadburner]

Not sure you have the facts right in your first paragraph......

[patric]

Trying to break this down to bare facts:

A (retired?) insurance agent donates the max amount of money to the Sheriff's re-election campaign. He is appointed as the campaign adviser to the campaign. When the Sheriff is re-elected the man is named a reserve deputy.

The Sheriff then sends said man out on a firearms related "sting" operation with a gun and a Taser. Shockingly, the suspect doesn't want to be arrested for a firearms violation and attempts to flee. There is no attempt by the suspect to threaten or harm the officer. The officer than reaches for his weapon and fires at the suspect, killing him.

The shooter later states that he confused his Taser and his firearm.

- - -

If this is true, there are many things wrong with it. Ending with the fact that by policy the Taser should be a distinct drawing motion from the firearm such that these things do not happen. Also, the Taser usually has a separate and distinct safety mechanism that many LEO firearms do not (Glocks, for example).

Unfortunately, taken as true this is an instance in which a County Sheriff negligently killed a citizen. While it appears that the citizen that was killed was a bad person, the officer did not make an informed decision to execute him. The officer was not threatened and forced to react. Rather, the officer accidentally killed a citizen. While it was a bad person in this instance, no reason why such a thing couldn't happen to any person they "meant" to subdue and accidentally kill (a drunk at a football game, a mentally ill person [wait, we just shoot them isntead of trying to tase them), etc.

Bad news all around.

Maybe the cameras at Celia Clinton Elementary could provide a clue.  Then there's always the dashcam video (and even some Tasers have cameras), but the longer they "process" it the less transparent it seems.

[Vashta Nerada]

Whoopsie.....!!!

Maj. Shannon Clark with TCSO told KRMG the gunshot startled Bates so badly he actually dropped the weapon.
But neither Clark nor Undersheriff Tim Albin could say what that weapon was, though sources tell KRMG it was a .38-caliber revolver.
TCSO is also withholding information on Bates' training and certifications, though they did say he's undergone specialized training in, among other things, homicide investigation.

TPD says Bates was an officer for a year, from January, 1964 to January, 1965.
Albin says TCSO policy does allow deputies to carry personal weapons, but they must be approved weapons and the deputies must be certified on them by a qualified range instructor annually.

The sheriff's office says Bates' training record and certifications are part of the investigation and will not be released at this time.

Last week, KRMG asked about the short amount of time spent investigating the shooting scene - about an hour.
Albin and Clark both said they gathered all the evidence and interviewed all the witnesses they needed to before leaving the scene.

Albin also said the entire incident was caught on video, which made the investigation move more quickly.