Tulsa's Great Disqualifier

[MH2010]

That's okay Aox.  Alot of my friends are moving here with their families because of Tulsa's religious community. They see Tulsa as a great place to raise their families.  No matter how much you kick and scream, most people in this area are religious, they go to church and are active in the community.

[Trams]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

Trams....religious bigotry? Come on. Way to turn the discussion around. Don't think I will turn defensive.

I don't think it's turning the discussion around.  I think it's bringing it back to where it started.  Truly.  I think you have an inherent bias against certain religious groups ... call it what you will (a "bias against intolerance" or some other euphemism) ... but I think most people can see it for what it is.  The very text of your posts supports my point, and I would certainly challenge to analyze the spirit of your own post.      

I suppose a lot of people hold your views, so you're obviously not alone out there.  

quote:It's not about how these beliefs hold Tulsa back and not about "you're not welcome here". Instead, it's about how these "true" believers dominate Tulsa's aura through their divisiveness with the very people doing the most in the community for the disadvantaged.

I am very much confused by the purpose of your post then.  It is NOT about holding Tulsa back?  Where does your "disqualifier" language come in?  Are you truly worried about the substance of the divisiveness?  Are you truly worried about doctrine and religious theory, and who is right and who is wrong?  Or is the post more concerned with Tulsa' image?  I don't think you should re-define the purpose(s) of your post in order to meet the comment of the day.  

quote: I don't expect you to understand. Many of my friends grew up here and moved far far away from what they know to be a hateful, intolerant, and backwards society.

Why stay?  Move far, far away, from this horrible, backwards, and suffocating society.  It is obviously unbearable.

quote: Now, say something progressive or go away.

No, I'll be here.  To keep tabs on all that is right and good.

[robbyfoxxxx]

quote: Alot of my friends are moving here with their families because of Tulsa's religious community.

Cant be from very far, I dont think someone would move from far away just to be in a religious place, besides our crime, incarceration rate, high rate of mental illness, and poor quality of life outweigh its positve aspects.

[aoxamaxoa]

Give me that ole time religion....

This evil doer will continue to vouch for the less than .025% of Tulsa that provides the majority of necessary civic support. Even if the local rag chooses to put the true deceivers on a pedestal. It is Tulsa's great disqualifier.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

<Floyd wrote:

If so, you're proselytizing your own (dis)belief just as strongly in this thread right now as any Jehovah's Witness who knocks on the door.

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Proselytizing a disbelief? Is that even possible?

pros·e·ly·tize   (pr#335;s'#601;-l#301;-t#299;z')  Pronunciation Key    
v.   pros·e·ly·tized, pros·e·ly·tiz·ing, pros·e·ly·tiz·es

v.   intr.

  1. To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith.

Source: American Heritage Dictionary

Yes.  It's possible.  When reading a dictionary, the whole entry can be useful.

proselytize \PROS-uh-luh-tyz\, intransitive verb:
1. To induce someone to convert to one's religious faith.
2. To induce someone to join one's institution, cause, or political party.

transitive verb:
1. To convert to some religion, system, opinion, or the like.

Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2001/01/04.html

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

"Cross-denomination means that the Baptists and the Methodists and the Pentecostals are all on the same page about this issue."

Witch issue? Not the one where those of us on the outside of their church are going to hell?

Yes, that's very attractive to those thinking about placing jobs here or moving offices here.

Someone call Carlton Pearson and clear this article up for Hawkins.....

Which issue? Is that sarcasm or for real? The issue of praying for the well-being of the State of Oklahoma. Isn't that what the article was about?

I simply scanned over it, so maybe I missed something? I didn't see any political attacks concerning gay marriage benefits or the like in this one.

Those are in poor taste, IMO, and for the record, I think the fact that there are separate denominations show that mainstream Christianity is flawed. But this article didn't seem offensive.

[aoxamaxoa]

These folks may be showing interest here, but I would not doubt that they may feel a little queasy once they get to know it's citizens.....
http://www.tulsaworld.com/BusinessStory.asp?ID=070110_Bu_E3_Israe59163

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

These folks may be showing interest here, but I would not doubt that they may feel a little queasy once they get to know it's citizens.....
http://www.tulsaworld.com/BusinessStory.asp?ID=070110_Bu_E3_Israe59163

I think you're making quite a stretch there.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

These folks may be showing interest here, but I would not doubt that they may feel a little queasy once they get to know it's citizens.....
http://www.tulsaworld.com/BusinessStory.asp?ID=070110_Bu_E3_Israe59163

You're so full of **** I don't even know where to begin.  Do you really think that the people of Tulsa are so combatively religious as to scare away an Israeli research institution?  You are so far from reality I guess I just won't bother.  

Only question is, if you're so disgusted by the people of Tulsa and their beliefs, why even post?  Just move on and move away.  I'm starting to smell a troll.  I'm done with this thread.

[Trams]

In some breaking news, it appears that certain river park runners are being attacked by owls or hawks.  It is reported that one runner "received several small puncture wounds to her scalp, and her head was sore the next day."  

What is appauling about this story is the fact that it rated front page coverage!  It's fine if these runners want to suffer-in-silence, but it is very offensive (to me) for these news organizations to prioritize this story.  It is clearly pandering the those who believe exercise (i.e., running) is important.  What about those of us who don't believe in the importance of exercise?    

Perhaps more importantly, what outsider would want to move to a city where runners are attacked by owls and hawks?  You running-nuts -- at least those who are being randomly attacked by owls and hawks -- are now free to board . . .

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Trams

In some breaking news, it appears that certain river park runners are being attacked by owls or hawks.  It is reported that one runner "received several small puncture wounds to her scalp, and her head was sore the next day."  

What is appauling about this story is the fact that it rated front page coverage!  It's fine if these runners want to suffer-in-silence, but it is very offensive (to me) for these news organizations to prioritize this story.  It is clearly pandering the those who believe exercise (i.e., running) is important.  What about those of us who don't believe in the importance of exercise?    

Perhaps more importantly, what outsider would want to move to a city where runners are attacked by owls and hawks?  You running-nuts -- at least those who are being randomly attacked by owls and hawks -- are now free to board . . .

Uhh..I don't get it. Are you mad at hawks and owls for doing what they naturally do? Or are you mad at runners for their kooky outfits? Or are you just surprised that secular news makes it to the front page too?  Now if those runners had been praying while running that would make sense. I'm so confused. Weak sarcasm does that to me.

One thing we all agree on. This thread is a loser.

[CoffeeBean]

Wheee-who!!  It's a prayer lottery ya'll!!!

Give us mercy, give us grace, give us prosperity, gimmie a break.  

Be thankful you don't live in Somalia.

[aoxamaxoa]

"Sawyer asked Pelosi whether the trip to conservative parts of America left her feeling as though "you had to get a visa to a foreign country." And later, Pelosi described the journey "as sort of a sociological field trip." It was the "Jesus freak" comment, however, that appeared too much for even Diane Sawyer:"

http://newsbusters.org/node/10306

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

"Sawyer asked Pelosi whether the trip to conservative parts of America left her feeling as though "you had to get a visa to a foreign country." And later, Pelosi described the journey "as sort of a sociological field trip." It was the "Jesus freak" comment, however, that appeared too much for even Diane Sawyer:"

http://newsbusters.org/node/10306

I thought Pelosi, though a little pr challenged, made some good points. Especially the Paris vs Jesus comparison and the some religion vs no religion. However the comments after the story were most telling. Very narrow views when you see the world as left or not left. Such name calling...