The GOP war on voting

[nathanm]

Yes. I was surprised when the pump asked me for my User ID the other day.

It's anti-fraud. If they send a ZIP code with the authorization request the response they get back will tell them whether it's right or not. I don't know if they actually deny transactions where AVS comes back not verified or failure or if they use the ZIP code for other purposes beyond AVS. It protects against skimmed cards. It's less useful against physically stolen cards since the thief probably has your address.

Radio Shack, on the other hand, only asks you for your info so they can send you crap.

[Red Arrow]

It's anti-fraud.

The way I understand it is that, barring absolute negligence, the vendor gets their money on a credit card transaction.  That's why I am suspect of the motivation.  I don't know about debit cards, I don't have one.

[nathanm]

The way I understand it is that, barring absolute negligence, the vendor gets their money on a credit card transaction.

Not with non-signature transactions. If they can produce a signed credit card slip, they won't get dinged for the chargeback, presuming they bother to respond to the dispute. In the card not present or self swipe case, they only get that protection if they use AVS. (online merchants have to submit the CVV code as well) That said, they don't actually need anything but a card number and expiration date to charge you. They just need the rest if they want to protect themselves against chargebacks.

I believe the rules are slightly different in the case of card present transactions under $25.

[Conan71]

A few tweaks and everyone who is eligible to vote will.  Until then, I agree with some of the injunctions against the laws.

Because it only targets voters likely to vote for Democratic Party candidates.  If it were truly non-partisan, I would agree whole heartedly.  You may still disagree but you should understand.

I'm sure Dems would be all up in arms over a group like the Heritage Foundation or the local Tea Party driving vans through the projects to pick people up to go vote.

[nathanm]

I'm sure Dems would be all up in arms over a group like the Heritage Foundation or the local Tea Party driving vans through the projects to pick people up to go vote.

Both parties have been providing transportation to the polls for longer than you've been able to vote, my friend. Why would that bother me?

[heironymouspasparagus]

And in the past the "get out the vote" groups would try to hide the fact that they were targeting the minorities and poor while ignoring the likely voters who would not tow the Democratic Party line.

You really ought to pay more attention to your surroundings...I have encountered various 'get out the vote' groups who even went after me...old white guy... how does that play into your demographic myopia?  I REALLY don't look like the guy who would tow the Democratic Party line, and yet every encounter was accompanied by extreme enthusiasm to get me signed up - in spite of my looks.  See how different that is in reality from the efforts from the other direction?

[Red Arrow]

You really ought to pay more attention to your surroundings...I have encountered various 'get out the vote' groups who even went after me...old white guy... how does that play into your demographic myopia?  I REALLY don't look like the guy who would tow the Democratic Party line, and yet every encounter was accompanied by extreme enthusiasm to get me signed up - in spite of my looks.  See how different that is in reality from the efforts from the other direction?

Not all old white guys are Republicans.  My best friend is an old white guy.  He is a die hard Democratic Party, Union supporter through and through.  (Yeah, strange best friend for me but he is a pilot so we have that in common.)  They could tell by looking at you that you were firmly NOT Republican.  You just think you were in camouflage.  Those guys are good at what they do.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Not all old white guys are Republicans.  My best friend is an old white guy.  He is a die hard Democratic Party, Union supporter through and through.  (Yeah, strange best friend for me but he is a pilot so we have that in common.)  They could tell by looking at you that you were firmly NOT Republican.  You just think you were in camouflage.  Those guys are good at what they do.

So, huffing that av-gas is really THAT good??  Have always heard it gave the best delusions, but never wanted to spend that much money on something that might be a bust...will have to try it.  I presume there is a place to buy some over there at the airport??  Can the general public come in and buy some??

[Red Arrow]

So, huffing that av-gas is really THAT good??  Have always heard it gave the best delusions, but never wanted to spend that much money on something that might be a bust...will have to try it.  I presume there is a place to buy some over there at the airport??  Can the general public come in and buy some??

No you have to have special identification.  It's even more strict than voter ID.

[Conan71]

No you have to have special identification.  It's even more strict than voter ID.

Then general aviation is racist!

[Red Arrow]

Then general aviation is racist!

Not really.  More like speciesist.  The gas pumps will sell gas to any brand of airplane and even homebuilts.

They cannot sell to cars and trucks because the road use tax on gasoline for ground use vehicles is replaced by the aviation tax.  Some smaller airports have been known to allow sales to boats and in portable containers for race cars.  I doubt that will happen at RVS or TUL.

I kind of remember being able to buy avgas with road tax added in the late 70s on about 61st St just east of Mingo.  That was when there were still a fair amount of cars without catalytic converters. 

[heironymouspasparagus]

Not really.  More like speciesist.  The gas pumps will sell gas to any brand of airplane and even homebuilts.

They cannot sell to cars and trucks because the road use tax on gasoline for ground use vehicles is replaced by the aviation tax.  Some smaller airports have been known to allow sales to boats and in portable containers for race cars.  I doubt that will happen at RVS or TUL.

I kind of remember being able to buy avgas with road tax added in the late 70s on about 61st St just east of Mingo.  That was when there were still a fair amount of cars without catalytic converters. 

Is there lead in it???

I remember some of the performance shops used to sell avgas for 'high' octane use in high performance cars....  Seemed counterproductive to me - just go with the nitrous....

[Red Arrow]

Is there lead in it???

The "LL" in 100LL is for "low lead".  Yes, it has lead which is why the EPA is trying to kill piston engine aviation.

[Red Arrow]

I remember some of the performance shops used to sell avgas for 'high' octane use in high performance cars....  Seemed counterproductive to me - just go with the nitrous....

Some of the high performance cars from before catalytic converters needed the high octane that was not available in "regular no-lead".  When Premium no-lead became available, most of the older cars could handle the no-lead fuel.  Adding to the confusion was the old Octane (Research vs. Motor) numbers vs. the new (R+M)/2 Octane numbers.

[nathanm]

The "LL" in 100LL is for "low lead".  Yes, it has lead which is why the EPA is trying to kill piston engine aviation.

I thought some folks had piston engines in their aircraft that run fine on mogas? It's a little sad that the FAA certification requirements force piston engine aircraft owners to use engines straight out of the 40s. I understand they need to move slowly, given the safety risk of having aircraft fall out of the sky onto people, but it's getting ridiculous. I guess nobody really wants to put the time and money into getting a new design certified?