Back at it and now...Grant to fund 18 Tulsa police officers

[RecycleMichael]

Can't believe I am siding with Kathy Taylor and Ron Palmer on this one...the world must be coming to an end, but I must. 

I knew there was hope for you...

The city buys over a hundred new police cars every year and surpluses the old ones...maybe we can squeeze a few more days out of the old ones just this once...

[Conan71]

...maybe we can squeeze a few more days out of the old ones just this once...

Yeah, but that will screw up the supply of fresh taxicabs... what about the poor cabbies?

[nathanm]

The best way to combat the rising crime rate has more to do with fixing people's economic situation than it does with more police. But as long as we refuse to attack the root of the problem, more police is a damn sight better than doing nothing at all.

The vast majority of property crimes come down to the want of money, whether for wholly legitimate and universally accepted needs like food and shelter or for societally unacceptable needs like drugs. (say what you want, to an addict the drug is a need right up there with food, which is why the drug war is doomed to continued failure)

Crime didn't fall precipitously in the 90s because of any major policy initiatives or putting more police on the streets. It fell dramatically because most people had a decent economic outlook. More people were in a position where they could feed and shelter themselves and their families through legal means, so had no need to risk incarceration.

[tim huntzinger]

Not one more dime to the TPD.  Hiring freeze.  Decimation. New chief.  Start over.

From todays T.World Letters to the Editor: 'For the second time in six months an employee of mine (a male person of color) has been pulled over by police. The first time, he was driving my car and started from his parking place without securing his seat belt, which he was in the process of fastening when stopped. He wasn't given a ticket but was humiliated soundly.
'The second incident happened in his own car (late model) while driving at the 30 mph speed limit. They told him he had been driving 43 mph. He politely told the officer that he didn't believe that could be right, and the officer said if he would say he didn't have his seat belt on, he would give him a $20 ticket instead of a $150 ticket. My employee said, "Are you asking me to lie?" and the officer said, "Yes." Because my employee knew he didn't deserve the speeding ticket he said, "Yes," but when he told me what had occurred, I was livid.
'I wish officers would catch the offenders, mostly white ones, who turn right on red illegally at 31st Street or speed on Peoria Avenue. Betty P. Morrow, Tulsa'

[TUalum0982]

Not one more dime to the TPD.  Hiring freeze.  Decimation. New chief.  Start over.

From todays T.World Letters to the Editor: 'For the second time in six months an employee of mine (a male person of color) has been pulled over by police. The first time, he was driving my car and started from his parking place without securing his seat belt, which he was in the process of fastening when stopped. He wasn't given a ticket but was humiliated soundly.
'The second incident happened in his own car (late model) while driving at the 30 mph speed limit. They told him he had been driving 43 mph. He politely told the officer that he didn't believe that could be right, and the officer said if he would say he didn't have his seat belt on, he would give him a $20 ticket instead of a $150 ticket. My employee said, "Are you asking me to lie?" and the officer said, "Yes." Because my employee knew he didn't deserve the speeding ticket he said, "Yes," but when he told me what had occurred, I was livid.
'I wish officers would catch the offenders, mostly white ones, who turn right on red illegally at 31st Street or speed on Peoria Avenue. Betty P. Morrow, Tulsa'

in your first situation, the person WAS breaking the law.  He was operating a motor vehicle without his seatbelt on.  Whats so hard to comprehend about that?  In your second situation, there are two sides to every story.  Only one side is being told.  I wasn't there and neither were you, so no one knows for the sure what truly happened, but I find that situation hard to believe. None the less, you have your opinion and I have mine...so I will leave it at that, and rant to my wife what I really think about you and the POS that you really are. 

end rant.

[Wilbur]

back on topic . . . . .

I don't see why the City wouldn't be moving heaven and earth trying to get the money ? ? ? Yes, they have to come up with some money to train and equip the officers, but their salaries for THREE YEARS are paid. 

It is very likey the academy is going to be cancelled this year, so there will be no new officers coming through, but still plenty of them retiring.   

The requirement to keep them a fourth year is also a no-brainer, it's not like it's an additional 18 officers, they will be replacements of officers that leave over the next 3 years.

I am sure there are details I don't know about, but the basics seems pretty obvious to me, kind of like when your company matches your 401k and you don't do it.  Even if it's just a few bucks, why would you through free money away, ever ? ? ?

I think to rub for most people is, the city keeps 'finding' money to fund things while their employees are forced to take eight days of furlough (so far) without pay because the city has no money.  Add this to our new email system where they 'found extra money' to the tune of extremely expensive, and you start to wonder where all this 'extra money' is coming from.

On the opposite side, the hiring of these 18 with this money would mean no more layoffs since the 'contract' would stipulate no lay offs.  Someone will have to consider that, especially since lay offs are still being discussed.

[tim huntzinger]

in your first situation, the person WAS breaking the law.  He was operating a motor vehicle without his seatbelt on.  Whats so hard to comprehend about that?  In your second situation, there are two sides to every story.  Only one side is being told.  I wasn't there and neither were you, so no one knows for the sure what truly happened, but I find that situation hard to believe. None the less, you have your opinion and I have mine...so I will leave it at that, and rant to my wife what I really think about you and the POS that you really are. 

end rant.

Let me ask [REDACTED]. 'Say, Rock, how many times have you been pulled over in the past year?' 'Fifteen times.' 'And you are black.' 'Yes.' 'How many tickets have you been issued?' 'Four. Two were dismissed.' 'Do you think the TPD are racist.' 'I am not going to call anyone racist unless they are wearing a KKK robe. I think they racially profile.'


WHO SAID THIS? "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it."

[TUalum0982]

Let me ask [REDACTED]. 'Say, Rock, how many times have you been pulled over in the past year?' 'Fifteen times.' 'And you are black.' 'Yes.' 'How many tickets have you been issued?' 'Four. Two were dismissed.' 'Do you think the TPD are racist.' 'I am not going to call anyone racist unless they are wearing a KKK robe. I think they racially profile.'



WHO SAID THIS? "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it."

you can't stay on topic can you? Last time I checked, you were bitching and moaning about TPD's degree requirement, and how they shouldn't be paid what they currently do.  How on earth did we now jump to racism? Oh thats right....you pulled some BS letter to the editor off of Tulsa Worlds website.  My bad. now I see how its all connected.  Get off the boards.

[Wilbur]

you can't stay on topic can you? Last time I checked, you were bitching and moaning about TPD's degree requirement, and how they shouldn't be paid what they currently do.  How on earth did we now jump to racism? Oh thats right....you pulled some BS letter to the editor off of Tulsa Worlds website.  My bad. now I see how its all connected.  Get off the boards.

Please don't feed the trolls.

[tim huntzinger]

you can't stay on topic can you? Last time I checked, you were bitching and moaning about TPD's degree requirement, and how they shouldn't be paid what they currently do.  How on earth did we now jump to racism? Oh thats right....you pulled some BS letter to the editor off of Tulsa Worlds website.  My bad. now I see how its all connected.  Get off the boards.

Just reacting to being called a POS.  Kind of unwarranted IMHO but if you want to act silly well there you go.  And be sure to tell your wife that next time she gets you panties to get the ones with the frills.  That is so you! Ha ha!  YOU go away! You ask for ideas and I give them and you jumpskip those just to go and be all snarky.  I think Victor's Secrets has a sale on hose.  So YOU get going. Chop chop.

No academy this year? Bunch of geezers getting off the roads with their cruisers? Retiring? At what, 50? 55? How many of you can do that?  No one but our civil 'servants.' We need to do a stop-gap on that retirement BS.  Those civil 'servants' damn well better be ready to train, mentor, grab a radio and be ready to get back on the horse. Retire at 65 with the rest of us.  Oh wait.  That would 70.  The TPD wants to evoke some air of elitism or esprit de corps but all they succeed in doing is creating an 'us vs them' attitude and demand we pay up - or else.  Any other racket that would be called extortion.  Sorry that I want to put more badges on the street and am just brainstorming ways to do that while challenging the dysfunctional, Federal-oversight-requiring system that we have in place now.

Say, Wilbur, we all know you call women 'b*tches,' but do you agree with Conan that the Sherriff's deputies are the stupidest bunch of goons with guns in the state, and that the majority of them could not make it into the academy?  Do you also believe that the majority of people reading this or posting on this forum would also be rejected for the TPD force?

[cannon_fodder]

At the risk of staying on topic . . .

I have heard from several sources that Sheriff jobs were/are patronage jobs and that on other occasions the biggest boys that could be found were stocked into the department.  But the Sheriffs I have dealt with personally seem as professional as the TPD.  What is the hiring requirement for the Tulsa Sheriff and is there level of professionalism generally regarded as the same?

On that same token, Tulsa County COPS will be on Spike in the not too distant future.

[waterboy]

My personal experience is that they are suited to their responsibilities which are different than municipal cops. They often deal with the more rural citizens who would object to a college educated city cop with authority issues. They usually are pretty big guys with nothing to prove and a good sense of humor. But admittedly that is my personal experience.

I doubt the two forces could do each others jobs very effectively.

[tim huntzinger]

At the risk of staying on topic . . .

I have heard from several sources that Sheriff jobs were/are patronage jobs and that on other occasions the biggest boys that could be found were stocked into the department.  But the Sheriffs I have dealt with personally seem as professional as the TPD.  What is the hiring requirement for the Tulsa Sheriff and is there level of professionalism generally regarded as the same?

On that same token, Tulsa County COPS will be on Spike in the not too distant future.

At the risk of staying on topic?  And you are more on topic than me because why?  Just because you are, so you!  No one was even speaking about reqs until . . . well.  And where is the outrage at Conan's broadside at the Deputies?  Asking posters to stand by their idiotic remarks should be an integral part of the discussion.

We need to look at all aspects of the force, it is true.  From hiring to retiring.

[rwarn17588]

Asking posters to stand by their idiotic remarks should be an integral part of the discussion.

Said without a trace of irony.

[Townsend]

Said without a trace of irony.

Man, I know.