No Sympathy for Sex Offenders

[aRisler]

If you have no sympathy for others, who will have sympathy for you?  Are you a perfect person?  Have you ever made a mistake?  How old were you when you first had sex and how old was your partner?  Were you married?  "When you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things." Romans 2:1.
By today's laws almost EVERONE would be a sex offender. This is what happens when the government attempts to govern morality and parenting.  Is there any wonder why, for the first time in America, 1 in 100 people are behind bars.  I do not condone rape or pedophiles. My heart goes out to these real victims.  But young people are far more likely to become a victim of these ridiculous new laws that do much more harm than good.  Finding the truly dangerous types on the current system is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Forgive them, because if you cannot forgive, how can you be forgiven?  Give them an opportunity to rebuild your trust.  Never take your own vengeance.

[RecycleMichael]

I had some stone issues earlier this year. I had two surgeries to remove gall stones, kidney stones and I think even flint stones.

I am now stone-free.

Let him without stones cast the first sin.

[Porky]

The first time I got stone was in January of 1970 when I went to a Grand Funk Concert, in Minneapolis.

I actually enjoyed it, so feel free to throw it my way.

[zstyles]

I have never had a stone..whats it like..I always wondered about that...hrmmmmm...

[Ed W]

Hand casts stone afar
Ripples spread across the pond
The fish threw it back

[RecycleMichael]

"Under every stone lurks a politician."

Aristophanes (450 BC - 388 BC)

[MSLGWCEO]

quote:Originally posted by aRisler

If you have no sympathy for others, who will have sympathy for you?  Are you a perfect person?  Have you ever made a mistake?  How old were you when you first had sex and how old was your partner?  Were you married?  "When you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things." Romans 2:1.
By today's laws almost EVERONE would be a sex offender. This is what happens when the government attempts to govern morality and parenting.  Is there any wonder why, for the first time in America, 1 in 100 people are behind bars.  I do not condone rape or pedophiles. My heart goes out to these real victims.  But young people are far more likely to become a victim of these ridiculous new laws that do much more harm than good.  Finding the truly dangerous types on the current system is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Forgive them, because if you cannot forgive, how can you be forgiven?  Give them an opportunity to rebuild your trust.  Never take your own vengeance.

New Study released last week.  


The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) released a report yesterday stating that   According to BJS:

http://cfcoklahoma.com/forum/index.php?action=recent in 2007 one in every 31 adults in the United States was incarcerated or under criminal justice supervision.

Oklahoma leads in numbers of those incarcerated in prisons and on parole/probation. We also have the highest number of women in said system as well. We really need to begin demanding programs for rehabilitation as many crimes are due to alcohol, drugs etc. and locking these folks up on mandatory sentences is costly and ineffective towards rehabilitation. Can anyone say but by the grace of God, there go I.

[RecycleMichael]

I try to obey the law...

[MSLGWCEO]

In answer to aRisler statement, " Finding the truly dangerous types on the current system is like looking for a needle in a haystack."

While nothing is 100 percent in this world, we do know who the most dangerous is. Those who did not know their victim, the violent and the repeat offender. Once you single them out in particular, the vast majority of offenders never, ever repeat another sex crime.

My opinion is that a repeat offender should be locked up for a very long time. However, I also must say, it depends upon the severity of the crime. For instance, if he/she were to receive a photo of a minor "unsolicited" in his e-mail or cell phone, that should not be a major deal. Anyone can "set an individual up" for prosecution of child porn just by sending someone such a photo and the youth of today are sending all kinds of photos of themselves, which gets distributed far and wide.

But yes, we can know and make sense out of the registry, IF we go to individual risk assessment.

[TeeDub]

quote:Originally posted by MSLGWCEO

For instance, if he/she were to receive a photo of a minor "unsolicited" in his e-mail or cell phone, that should not be a major deal. Anyone can "set an individual up" for prosecution of child porn just by sending someone such a photo and the youth of today are sending all kinds of photos of themselves, which gets distributed far and wide.

Set an individual up?   Right...

The internet is not nearly as anonymous as most people want it to be.  

If you want to start releasing criminals, how about non-violent drug offenders (you know, college kids with pot, etc.) and keep the people who want to diddle little kids in jail.

[sgrizzle]

I should try that out. Everyone send me your cell phone number and I'll see if I can get you convicted of Child Porn charges.

Really? Show me how many people are convicted on Child Porn charges who had one photo...

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by TeeDub


Set an individual up?   Right...

The internet is not nearly as anonymous as most people want it to be.  

Your second statement is squarely at odds with the first.

[TeeDub]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm


Your second statement is squarely at odds with the first.

The intent was to say that it would be difficult to actually set someone up because the internet is not nearly as anonymous as people think it is/want it to be.  

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by TeeDub

quote:Originally posted by nathanm


Your second statement is squarely at odds with the first.

The intent was to say that it would be difficult to actually set someone up because the internet is not nearly as anonymous as people think it is/want it to be.  

Well, part of the problem is that no matter how child pornography ends up in your possession, and whether or not you are aware of its existence you are criminally liable for having it.

Say I knew of an exploit in Snitz..it would be trivial for me (if I knew of sites where one could obtain child porn) to make it so everyone who uses the TulsaNow forums ends up with kiddie porn on their computer. Yes, it would only be (barring your running a browser with a security vulnerability) in the browser's cache, but people have been convicted for just that. Images only found in the cache and nowhere else on the PC.

There are thousands if not millions of web sites out there that are vulnerable to cross site scripting attacks which can allow an attacker to make any content they wish appear to originate from that trusted site without even having to attack the site itself, just con you into following a particular link to said trusted site. Say a referral to Amazon from some page about books. (if amazon still has XSS vulnerabilities on their site)

Now the whole 'send so-and-so a multimedia message to their phone with kiddie porn in it' wouldn't be as easily accomplished, although many providers do have email-to-multimedia gateways, so someone who could forge an email's origin could in fact do that.

[TeeDub]

Yes,

If I had kiddy porn on my computer, I would be criminally liable for having it.

Just like if I had cocaine in my car.

The burden of proof would land squarely on my shoulders.

If I could show the email it originated from, I would imagine that would help my case.

No?