Stone Temple Pilots Concert at Spirit Bank Center

[Conan71]

I guess I don't get as up in arms about the noise issue as others do.  I live about 1/2 mile south of Skelly Stadium and 1/2 mile as the crow flies NW of the fairgrounds.  I can hear the announcer at Skelly and the fans erupt on a big play, especially if the wind is out of the north.  I can hear fair noise easily as well.

Skelly and the Fairgrounds were there long before I moved to the area (this is my second time to live on the same block, so I definitely knew what I was going back to).  I should't biznitch if I don't like the traffic during events nor spill-over noise I knew that existed and moved there anyhow.

However, I most definitely have sympathy for someone who bought a house in a quiet area, then a noisy arena was built later with pathetic acoustic engineering.  They need to do whatever they can to make this right with the surrounding neighborhoods, since this nuisance was added to the area.

[Steve]

Article in today's 10-28-08 Tulsa World on page A5:  "Bixby Councilors Hear Noise Complaints"

As Waterboy said, there is a lawsuit coming over this issue, and I don't blame the surrounding residents one bit.  Back in the day, the City made the Zingo rollercoaster shut down after 9:00 PM because of noise; there has to be some sort of similar compromise worked out for the Bixby events center, perhaps restricting late night music shows to Fri-Sat only.  Whatever the compromise, the residents were there first.

[patric]

Odds are Bixby will end up with a very expensive white elephant that can only be used for basketball games and graduation ceremonies.

Planning, planning, planning.

[tulsascoot]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by tulsascoot

My wife and I both thought the band sounded off, especially after they had the trouble with their instruments being out of tune.

People I work with did not get that, though. I guess I can be overly critical since I usually see 10-20 live show per year. (more like 50-60 if you include all the acts at Bonnaroo)

yes the instruments were out of tune slightly, and most people knew that since they had to stop before Sour Girl and figure things out.  But at least they were trying to fix it as opposed to just pushing through because it was important to them.  i think what you were hearing that was off though was the fact that Scott can't hit some of the highs and lows that he used to be able to.  One person said the fact that he is sober makes up for that though, since now you can understand and sing along to the lyrics []

It's hard to put a finger on what I mean by they were off. Like I said, I see lots of concerts, and STP was not playing as if they were all together, tight, almost as if they were one person. That's what good bands do and what STP had done the 2 times I'd seen them before ('93 and '96).

Maybe they need more time to get back into synch to really get the full vibe going.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by patric

Odds are Bixby will end up with a very expensive white elephant that can only be used for basketball games and graduation ceremonies.

Planning, planning, planning.

Some serious compromises will have to be made on both sides. It matters little that the homeowners were there first though. For instance, if a city starts to expand and one of its housing developments surrounds a pig farm, the farm is history eventually. Yet, as I pointed out earlier, I've read news accounts from Florida and Louisiana where cities were unable to force noisy jet skis, airboats, cigarette boats etc. to cease operations. They usually found some way of accomodating each other.  News helicopters, dump trucks, motorcycles, lawn mowers, leaf blowers etc. all create unwanted, unneccesary noise but there are no hard and fast standards to address them.  No one seems to want to tackle the problem either. Ordinances are usually based on non scientific criteria, selectively enforced and subject to influence by powerful interests. It leads to lawsuits.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

I'm really surprised that they haven't had ongoing, before and after Decibel readings around the center. They had to know this was going to be controversial.

We had a concert at the nearby hillbilly bar last weekend and I heard, and felt, the music all day long. No big deal cause its only an occassional thing. But we are a solid two blocks from the bar, uphill and upwind from them. I'm guessing from previous experience with a Decibel meter that it would have been around 75db. It would have registered as less than the commercial lawn mowers and weed eaters which get up around 80+db but the sound of the music seems to travel farther, intermittently and with less intensity.

There's a law suit coming over this. In the past communities that have tried to arbitrarily limit sound exposures have paid a lot in legal fees in losing battles. The federal standards are based on timed exposure to industrial workplace levels and do not transfer well to public venues. Ordinances may not even be defensible without some study of topography, weather conditions and time period descriptions.

Lawsuit over Spirit Center or the Merc?

[waterboy]

I suspect the surrounding neighborhoods will sue (or threaten to sue) the operators of the venue if no compromise is reached. If the city sides with the neighborhoods by enacting restrictive ordinances that preclude such concerts I could see the promoters/owners of the venue suing the city. And why not? If they are planning to bring in more such concerts, there's a lot of money at stake. The groundrules need to be fairly applied and in compliance with established guidelines (if any).

I measured a beer truck going over the 11th street bridge one time and it exceeded 89db at a half mile away! But it only did so for less than 10 seconds. Jake brakes on trucks travelling I244 are up there too. Heck, even locusts under a tree in August measure an 80. So if Bixby has no guidelines they better come up with some and be prepared to apply them equally and defend their basis.

[Red Arrow]

I have no sympathy for someone that moves in near a known, existing nuisance.

I have no sympathy for developers who want to put a nuisance next to an existing community without other existing nuisances.  

I don't know what to think about "mixed development".

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

I have no sympathy for someone that moves in near a known, existing nuisance.

I have no sympathy for developers who want to put a nuisance next to an existing community without other existing nuisances.  

I don't know what to think about "mixed development".

i think the developer needs to feel a little pain on this one.  They used cheap materials on the back, and now it shows.  If they would have bricked it all the way around it would not only look better but it would deaden some of the sound.  I mean hell, even some EIFS on the back or something, that corrugated metal just screams cheap.

[Conan71]

Since people are calling BOK center "The BOK", would a good colloquial for Spirit Bank Center be "The SPANK"?

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Since people are calling BOK center "The BOK", would a good colloquial for Spirit Bank Center be "The SPANK"?

i'm going to refer to it as the Tin Can until they fix their noise problems.