Expo lights to blame for auto/pedestrian accident?

[patric]

"One Man In Critical After Being Hit By A Car In Front Of The Tulsa State Fair"
http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=112307

"The accident happened around 10pm Friday night, just across from the Golden Driller. Tulsa Police tell the News on 6, traffic had a green light, but two fairgoers tried to run across the road. One made it, the other was clipped by a silver Chrysler, spun around, and hit again by a blue Dodge Intrepid.
A Tulsa State Fair spokesperson told the News on 6, organizers have scheduled a meeting with the city to talk about lighting at that intersection. The traffic investigator on the case says he was looking into the accident Friday night at midnight and still had plenty of light.



Ironically the implication is that there isnt enough light in front of the IPE, when in fact you can read a newspaper in your yard for about a half-mile in all directions.

Hey, County, maybe it isnt a matter of enough light but rather the wrong kind of light?  Maybe dumping all that glare into people's eyes doesnt make it particularly safe?  Try lighting for human vision for a change and actually save some money on your electric bill (or in this case, legal bill).

[tulsa_fan]

Maybe I missed it, but it seemed like the pedestrian is at fault for crossing when he didn't have the right of way to do so.  They have crosswalks right there.  Hope he's OK, but I don't think  lighting is the problem.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by tulsa_fan

Maybe I missed it, but it seemed like the pedestrian is at fault for crossing when he didn't have the right of way to do so.

That's my understanding as well, nevertheless someone apparently thinks more bad lights are a substitute for good sense.

It's a signalized intersection as bright as any downtown, with crosswalk signs that count down the seconds, and both city and county police stationed there.  More lights are just the easiest thing to throw money at for the illusion of a quick fix, but correcting the disabling glare from the lights already there would actually be more productive and much less expensive.

[TheArtist]

Now that you bring those lights up.... I have never liked the look of them.  They look like cheap, tacky, after thoughts stuck on top of the new entrance signs. [xx(] IMO they should have been done in a modern or an art deco style kind of like the new lights that Boston Ave Church added for their parking lot entraces. If I ever had the extra money I would replace them myself.  The signs are nice and could have been brought up a notch with the right lighting selection but instead they were brought down a notch with the wrong ones. Probably grabbed some guy with a mullet from the fair and asked him what lights they should put on the signs.[]

[Breadburner]

I would say running out in front of a car is to blame for this accident.....

[patric]

The Whirled reported the man eventually died Tuesday, but no mention of the Fair's discussion with the city about adding more glare lights in front of the Golden Driller.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by patric

The Whirled reported the man eventually died Tuesday, but no mention of the Fair's discussion with the city about adding more glare lights in front of the Golden Driller.

Have you critiqued the new walmart's lighting yet?

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle
Have you critiqued the new walmart's lighting yet?

Havent been compelled to drive out there yet.
Their environmental spin recently has been how they produce more light with less greenhouse gasses, but since they still subscribe to the "be brighter than the competition" Moth-Effect Marketing philosophy, they see increased lighting efficiency as an empowerment to add yet more customer-drawing intensity.

If you've been there, what is your impression?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle
Have you critiqued the new walmart's lighting yet?

Havent been compelled to drive out there yet.
Their environmental spin recently has been how they produce more light with less greenhouse gasses, but since they still subscribe to the "be brighter than the competition" Moth-Effect Marketing philosophy, they see increased lighting efficiency as an empowerment to add yet more customer-drawing intensity.

If you've been there, what is your impression?

Well the best I can gather from the glossary that you provide, it seems close(r) to full cutoff. Just like any other walm-mart, the whole front is illuminated, but it doesn't seem as glaring as some others. Also, when you look at walm-mart, you can see the building whereas others seem obscured by the parking lot lights. The 71st location also has a wall surrounding the backside and is covered with security cameras. Maybe they are actually really thinking security as opposed to just "lighting it away."