Home intrusion in Swan Lake...

[RecycleMichael]

Obama is not a gun grabber. He has some very rational ideas on semi-automatics and concele-carry laws, however.

Here is some real info on Obama's positions...

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

[Conan71]

Better re-check that RM, just reading the article you cited, either he's glib on guns or he's a gun grabber.  Either one is unacceptable.  Obama understands nothing about guns, lawful gun ownership, nor the illegal gun trade.  Other than the DNC's sham NRA alternative, the NHSA, he does not have the approval of the majority of sportsmen and gun owners:

"Barack Obama on Gun Control
Democratic Jr Senator (IL)


Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws

Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?

A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.

Codespeak for "We will take your guns, if we see fit"

Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.

No you can't keep the criminally-minded from possessing guns.  That is the exact reason why there does not need to be restrictions on the lawful use of firearms.  One of thsoe lawful uses is my right to possess a handgun to protect myself and my family from an armed intruder in my home.  

Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban

Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."
Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views."

Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.

[John Redcorn]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

he does not have the approval of the majority of sportsmen and gun owners:

You forgot the best part of that article:

"believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby"


Inner cities huh? That's democrat-speak for "I don't want no darkies having guns." Democrats usually due to latent racism and white guilt want to micro-manage minorities lives or at least pat themselves on the back for throwing a lot of tax money their way "Oh those poor darkies, what ever would they do without us good liberal white people helping them out?"

Gosh, keeping guns out of the hands of the "inner-city" kinda sounds a lot like the very first US gun control laws enacted right after the civil war. Where? the south. Why? to keep guns out of the hands of darkies.

So maybe that means guns will be banned just in north tulsa and maybe this guy will go do a home invasion over there on some folks who had their rights stripped away from them. Perhaps they won't be as lucky.

A vote for Obama is a vote for Jim Crow.

[izmophonik]

Hey Redcorn, take you and your tin foil hat and get off of this thread.  There are forums for this kind of mindless political ranting you seem to love to do.  Head on down to the political forum and stop hijacking this thread.

[izmophonik]

No callback from the D.A.'s office today.  Hopefully I'll have an answer on Monday.

[TulsaFan-inTexas]

quote:Originally posted by izmophonik

I will be calling the D.A. today.  Here's what I know about this punk so far.  He's been in trouble for a solid 18 months.  His wrap sheet includes:

4/10/06 - Protective order filed
10/31/06 - 1st degree arson
10/31/06 - Malicious injury to property
12/04/06 - Peeing on an officer, resisting arrest, public drunk.
5/24/07 - public drunk.
12/25/07 - public drunk.
5/28/08 - DUI.
7/28/08 - Breaking and entering with unlawful intent in violation of 21 O.S. 1438. (filed as criminal misdemeanor)


www.myspace.com/killflesh

How the heck to these repeat offenders keep getting off like this? Heck, if I did any two of those things they'd probably lock me up for a good while.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by izmophonik


12/04/06 - Peeing on an officer

He must be able to walk...very...quietly...

[shadows]

Dead Bolts cannot be pushed back.  They are built with mechanism that when it is locked then it required a key to slide the bolt back.  

Although response from the DA office is slow in forthcoming you will find they respond in a timely manner.  

The solution to the reoccurrence of such incidents would be to install a door chain at the cost of under $10,00 as breaking and entering requires physical evidence not hearsay.  

Justifying the taking of a persons life could require a long legal procedure as well as effecting the mentality of the one who is the taker.

[allspunout]

hear anything from the DA yet?