What's the consensus on the Urban Tulsa here?

[Hometown]

Well, these weekly papers are so formulaic that you don't really see it after a you've seen three or four issues.  There are no surprises.  The same was true of the Bay Guardian and others.  Funny, you would think Urban Tulsa would position themselves to the Left of the World.

There was earlier talk about the World's art coverage.  The Tulsa World recently introduced a Sunday Arts Section.  This and other changes at the paper look to me like they are trying to sell more movie ads.  But I'm hopeful that now that they have an arts section they will hire an art and architecture critic.  They had an art critic when I was growing up.  His name was something like Devicini.  I remember a column but no real art criticism.

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

How is a right leaning alternative weekly adding diversity? I see it the other way around.

Your confusion is already well documented.

Says the Urban Tulsa fluffer.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

How is a right leaning alternative weekly adding diversity? I see it the other way around.

Your confusion is already well documented.

Says the Urban Tulsa fluffer.

Wow, haven't heard that term used in a while...

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

How is a right leaning alternative weekly adding diversity? I see it the other way around.

Your confusion is already well documented.

Says the Urban Tulsa fluffer.

I wish we had ten of 'em. Anytime someone publishes their perspectives and opinions we learn something we didn't know. That's diversity, even if you don't agree with it, part of it, or wrote it yourself.

But, a more interesting story would be the one of how you got to the opposite conclusion.

[SXSW]

Something more like the Westword in Denver should be a good goal for UT.  Heck the Gazette in OKC has way more interesting content and COLOR...

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Unfortunately, Brian Ervin has been let go from UTW. He had a disagreement with Keith over an article and he got fired. He was the best writer they had at the time.

Shulz smoked that dude any day of the week, hands down!

UTW's biggest problem is the same as the Whirlds,  it's their publisher. Although, Keith is a much better person/publisher than Lorton. He just needs to learn how to insert less of himself in the paper. He let's his own ideas, editorial style, and ego get in the way of his better judgment sometimes, to the weekly's detriment. After all, to be fair, it is his paper, he can do what he wants with it.  Otherwise, he seems to be a fairly decent guy. I've never ran into anyone that had anything worse to say about him than that. Nice guy, not so great publisher.

Having said that, if it weren't for UTW, Bates or Shulz wouldn't have been getting published and a lot of other voices would be trapped behind the Whirled's Chamber curtain of silence or slander. For that I am eternally grateful. I still pick up UTW every week, and hope it continues to be Tulsa's alternative voice. I just don't look forward to it as much as I used to, I hope I will again. Getting rid of Ask A Mexican would be a good start.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by Double A
Getting rid of Ask A Mexican would be a good start.

Yeah, that guy is a total dude.  His articles are so hateful that it makes me think the articles are written by anti-Mexicans to make the populace dislike Mexicans even more than they already do in this part of the country.

[Kenosha]

compared to other alt-weeklies and pubs (the stranger, willamette weekly, the Reader (chicago), the Austin Chronicle, even, gulp, the Gazette in OKC)  the Urban Tulsa is pathetic.  Embarrassing even.

Look... they lean right.  Fine. But how in the name of Tulsa is that an alternative?  To the Tulsa World?  Who endorsed Bush twice?  

I don't know.  Catering to the majority: no first, anti-tax, anti everything crowd isn't exactly doing it for me, personally.  My alt-weekly is supposed to provide refreshing perspective, and hope that Tulsa isn't a homogenous bunch of right wing zealots.  Urban Tulsa provides none of that for me.

[Kenosha]

and I agree about the ask a mexican... I get the joke... and it is still offensive.

[waterboy]

There's the rub K. Tulsa is practically homogeneous in its politics. The result is right leaning or righter leaning or toppled to the right. Right leaning becomes the new liberal.

I would add to your list a fine publication I saw in Minneapolis called the City Pages.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

compared to other alt-weeklies and pubs (the stranger, willamette weekly, the Reader (chicago), the Austin Chronicle, even, gulp, the Gazette in OKC)  the Urban Tulsa is pathetic.  Embarrassing even.

Look... they lean right.  Fine. But how in the name of Tulsa is that an alternative?  To the Tulsa World?  Who endorsed Bush twice?  

I don't know.  Catering to the majority: no first, anti-tax, anti everything crowd isn't exactly doing it for me, personally.  My alt-weekly is supposed to provide refreshing perspective, and hope that Tulsa isn't a homogenous bunch of right wing zealots.  Urban Tulsa provides none of that for me.

Actually, Keith was for the river tax.  They allowed Terry Simonson to play the house organ for the Randi Miller for four or five weeks last summer in contrast to Michael Bates' columns.

That was far more than the Whirled was willing to do.

Keith's biggest alignment with conservatives is his stance on abortion.  Other than that, he's got some liberal leanings in other directions.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

compared to other alt-weeklies and pubs (the stranger, willamette weekly, the Reader (chicago), the Austin Chronicle, even, gulp, the Gazette in OKC)  the Urban Tulsa is pathetic.  Embarrassing even.

Look... they lean right.  Fine. But how in the name of Tulsa is that an alternative?  To the Tulsa World?  Who endorsed Bush twice?  

I don't know.  Catering to the majority: no first, anti-tax, anti everything crowd isn't exactly doing it for me, personally.  My alt-weekly is supposed to provide refreshing perspective, and hope that Tulsa isn't a homogenous bunch of right wing zealots.  Urban Tulsa provides none of that for me.

I think the idea of an alternative weekly is not to give an alternative to mainstream opinions, but rather mainstream media.

In this case, even though Urban Tulsa doesn't sound like the Village Voice, it's still providing an alternative, both in content and political leaning ("liberal" or not, the World's editorial page is Democrat as hell).

[TulsaFan-inTexas]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Just really tire of their conservative right wing stuff and their cheap sensuality. Expensive sensuality is okay though.

Now THAT is funny..

[tim huntzinger]

It is all pretty ridiculous. An alternative? To what? Independent? Of what?  Urban? In what sense?

Look, you get what you pay for. UT is a suitable place for small indie biz owners to get some exposure without busting the bank.  Whatever other pretentions they have as influence peddlers to whomever is really beside the point.  Just more posing.

[cino24]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

...excuse me folks, but your diversity fails to show up.

Tulsa and Tulsans should be both proud and pleased to have Urban Tulsa as an alternate means of input, both for political diversity and opinion.

Failing to recognise what a valuable asset it is to our community is, well, just a failure on your part.

Imagine if we had only the World for our information.

True.  Good point.