QT no longer evil?

[cannon_fodder]

This is directed at the QT conspiracy theorists - the ones who insist they hide ethanol in their gas to be mean and drive up the price of gas in the region.

Please note their pumps now include signs that say "contains up to 10% ethanol" even though they don't have to. And guess who has the lowest gas prices in the nation?  Tulsa for 1 week running. That's WITH our special summer blend of gas.
http://gasbuddy.com/

That is all.

[YoungTulsan]

The sticker won't make me buy it.

[rwarn17588]

I don't think what they're doing to gas is evil; just misguided.

At least give people a choice of 100 percent gas if they want it.

[PonderInc]

Replacing Koolees with Freezonis...now THAT was evil!

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

Replacing Koolees with Freezonis...now THAT was evil!

Damn right.  I've never gotten over that.  The Freezoni is weird.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

This is directed at the QT conspiracy theorists - the ones who insist they hide ethanol in their gas to be mean and drive up the price of gas in the region.

Please note their pumps now include signs that say "contains up to 10% ethanol" even though they don't have to. And guess who has the lowest gas prices in the nation?  Tulsa for 1 week running. That's WITH our special summer blend of gas.
http://gasbuddy.com/

That is all.

wow, they're a whopping five days early.  This is a REQUIREMENT as of July 1, so it's not like they had a choice.

And you do realize that gas went up at most QTs today from 3.69 to 3.79, correct?

http://www.oksenate.gov/news/press_releases/press_releases_2008/pr20080507a.html

[cannon_fodder]

I filled up over lunch and it was $3.8x for premium.  As of 1:34 it is still below any other cities average in the nation according to gas buddy.

My point was that several people used those items to talk about how QT is horrible for the community (ethanol & increased gas prices).  Now both have been remedied (tell you about ethanol and lowest gas prices in the nation) and your response is "so!"  Just proving a point, no matter what they or other companies do - there will always be detractors.

Not that I credit them for the stickers if it is required, and the market dictates gas prices.  But I also didn't blame them for those items... just sayin' it should be a 2 way street.

[edit]It jumped to 3.79 at QT as of 4pm. Still good enough for 3rd cheapest in the Union assuming no one else went up[/edit]

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I filled up over lunch and it was $3.8x for premium.  As of 1:34 it is still below any other cities average in the nation according to gas buddy.

My point was that several people used those items to talk about how QT is horrible for the community (ethanol & increased gas prices).  Now both have been remedied (tell you about ethanol and lowest gas prices in the nation) and your response is "so!"  Just proving a point, no matter what they or other companies do - there will always be detractors.

Not that I credit them for the stickers if it is required, and the market dictates gas prices.  But I also didn't blame them for those items... just sayin' it should be a 2 way street.

[edit]It jumped to 3.79 at QT as of 4pm. Still good enough for 3rd cheapest in the Union assuming no one else went up[/edit]

My point is this:  back in the 80s, they freely disclosed when gas had alcohol in it.  Why not now?  Is it because they thought the majority of automobiles could handle the ethanol?  Not likely.

I'm not calling QT the devil, nor have I ever.  I just think it's bad business practice to not disclose to your consumers of something that is potentially harmful an investment that at the time may have cost upwards of $20K, especially when they did so in the past.

And it's not just QT to blame. Other chains fail to disclose.  What I am upset about is the fact that they were caught in October and took so long to respond to the question.

I post on tulsagasprices dot com and update their list whenever I can.  I watch gas prices constantly.  It's tough to use that as a barometer, especially during the day, since it's users they count on to update the prices.

I'm glad we're one of the lowest in the nation.  But that also makes me fill up a little more regularly when I don't need to.  I filled up yesterday while still on half tank of gas thinking it would go up; I'm glad I did now.  It seems that Tulsa gas goes up on a whim, and at a higher rate than other places do.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder


Please note their pumps now include signs that say "contains up to 10% ethanol" even though they don't have to.

wrong!  come July 1st we find out who the real "no ethanol" folks are and who the liars are....BY LAW.

[patric]

quote:It jumped to 3.79 at QT as of 4pm.

It was that price by noon at 21st & Harvard QT.
Dont know if that's splitting hairs...

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:It jumped to 3.79 at QT as of 4pm.

It was that price by noon at 21st & Harvard QT.
Dont know if that's splitting hairs...

it would be interesting to see if QT has a systematic staggering of prices that emanate from downtown to the outskirts of town to uniformly catch people driving home from work as well as the people who work close to downtown.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder


Please note their pumps now include signs that say "contains up to 10% ethanol" even though they don't have to.

wrong!  come July 1st we find out who the real "no ethanol" folks are and who the liars are....BY LAW.

I'm not sure if you know this or not, but it's not July 1st.  They don't have to put the stickers in place. They WILL, but as of yet they don't have to.

So please fill me in on where I was wrong.

and ffs, say one nice thing about Tulsa or someone somehow related to Tulsa.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder


Please note their pumps now include signs that say "contains up to 10% ethanol" even though they don't have to.

wrong!  come July 1st we find out who the real "no ethanol" folks are and who the liars are....BY LAW.

I'm not sure if you know this or not, but it's not July 1st.  They don't have to put the stickers in place. They WILL, but as of yet they don't have to.

So please fill me in on where I was wrong.

and ffs, say one nice thing about Tulsa or someone somehow related to Tulsa.

I'd like to know, CF, if you even knew about the law before you started the topic?  The statement "..their pumps now include signs that say "contains up to 10% ethanol" even though they don't have to" lends me to believe not.

Now, while I don't always approve of Inteller's tactics on the forum, he is correct.  Come July 1, everyone will have to discose.  Also, the law indicates that if you are blending more than five percent, you have to disclose how much to the nearest percentage point that you are blending upon request of the consumer.

Here's this morning's World article regarding the upcoming law:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?articleID=20080626_49_E1_hFuelr490763

Note the following quote made by:

quote:Michael Thornbrugh, QT spokesperson..."We're in the process of putting them up now," said QuikTrip Corp. spokesman Michael Thornbrugh, whose convenience-store chain has been using the E10 blend since last September. "We're glad the state is letting us put them up."

[zstyles]

Taken from the TW comments today : -

I remember when QuikTrip spokespersons often came out with honest, straightforward statements, rather than the disingenuous spin which we're hearing on the subject of ethanol. It is part of the ongoing decline of the QuikTrip culture, which was once something to be proud of.

Anyway, QuikTrip can laugh all the way to the bank while saying their gasoline is "guaranteed," because how can you PROVE ethanol caused your car's problems? Furthermore, do you think QuikTrip is going to pay for repairs to every single car damaged by ethanol? Of course not.

It is all part and parcel of the heartless QuikTrip mentality that says, "It's okay if we take away lots and lots of stuff from our community, as long as we give back a pittance." In this case, QuikTrip is "guaranteeing" their gasoline, but it's a guarantee they know they'll never have to honor.

The reason they sell ethanol is that it's more profitable for them to do it that way. Period.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by zstyles



Taken from the TW comments today : -

Anyway, QuikTrip can laugh all the way to the bank while saying their gasoline is "guaranteed," because how can you PROVE ethanol caused your car's problems? Furthermore, do you think QuikTrip is going to pay for repairs to every single car damaged by ethanol? Of course not.

The reason they sell ethanol is that it's more profitable for them to do it that way. Period.

You can't prove ethanol will cause you car engine problems, because it won't. Sure, you might take a mileage hit, but that has nothing to do with mechanical problems.

Ethanol has been in use in the Midwest for decades, and there have been no mechanical problems there.

As for QuikTrip wanting to do something profitable ... OMG, I can't believe it would do something like that!!! [}:)]