Neighborhood Unhappy With City Hall

[TulsaSooner]

It's CH job to provide grocery stores and service stations?  Who knew?

Neighborhood Unhappy With City Hall

ACORN claims the city is not providing grocery stores, service stations or even taking care of mowing empty lots.
 
North Tulsa neighbors rallied on Thursday night, saying they're tired of feeling forgotten.

They've formed a group called Associated Community Organizations for Reform Now or ACORN.  They rallied at an overgrown lot that they say illustrates their point.

ACORN claims the city is not providing grocery stores, service stations or even taking care of mowing empty lots.  They say, as taxpayers, they should receive equal treatment.

"We ain't looking for a hand out, we're just looking for a hand up that's all," said ACORN's Patricia Walker.

ACORN believes north Tulsa will be ignored as long as residents don't speak up.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8528653

[pmcalk]

ACORN is actually a group with offices nationwide, and even internationally.  There use to be an office in Tulsa, but I guess it left at some point.  You can read about them here:  http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12340.

[Townsend]

Dear ACORN,

You provide the market in North Tulsa and we'll provide the businesses.

Sincerely,

Retailers

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

Dear ACORN,

You provide the market in North Tulsa and we'll provide the businesses.

Sincerely,

Retailers

I don't know that providing the market is what a grocery store is all about in any part of the city....

As demonstrated by this.......

[FOTD]

City Halll has been off the tracks since we changed the charter. The city ran better without councilors. Making changes from threats of lawsuits is never a good idea.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

City Halll has been off the tracks since we changed the charter. The city ran better without councilors. Making changes from threats of lawsuits is never a good idea.

Strong Mares have screwed this city up more than our weak Council ever has or ever could. As a matter of fact, the Council have been the only checks and balances to prevent many a serious Mayoral mistake. Not to mention, this weak Council has been there to clean up after plenty of other Strong Mare messes they were unable to prevent due to the Mayoral authority granted under the strong Mare form of government. Of course, this only happens when the majority of the Council is made up of public servants instead of self serving special interest beholden politicians, like the current make up of the majority of the Council.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

Dear ACORN,

You provide the market in North Tulsa and we'll provide the businesses.

Sincerely,

Retailers

I don't know that providing the market is what a grocery store is all about in any part of the city....

As demonstrated by this.......

It is.  If the store is able to make a reasonable profit from the market in which it exists there would be one.  I hope there will be one soon but the company needs to believe it's worth it.

My opinion, and that's all it is, is that we need to change our liquor laws.  That could help it.

[bokworker]

What would be keeping some of these protesters from opening their own store? If not them then how about some of thier councilors that have the means to do so? Could it be that it is just a bad business proposition?

If a person or group could make money providig these services then they would be there....

[Gaspar]

Not the government's job to build stores or service stations.  There are plenty of open spaces that are available and relatively cheap to develop in that area.  

The market does not support such businesses or they would be there.

I have driven much of North Tulsa's neighborhoods several times when we were exploring the possibility of a retail center last year.  The developer even considered buying up additional properties and creating generic pad sites to encourage businesses to invest and build.  He was a native North Tulsan with drive and vision for his community.

The math didn't work.  The demographic profile couldn't meet  any of the target organizations requirements.  We spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to help him, but in the end he couldn't get the necessary funding.

As for the city's responsibilities in mowing empty lots, where do you start?  

Many of the OCCUPIED lots still remain unmowed and overgrown.   There are many vacant houses that should be torn down.  I have dozens and dozens of pictures of properties that are barley livable, yet they are lived in!

It may sound harsh, but people must take responsibility for their own community!  Yes, as tax payers the city has some responsibility, but if you take the time to drive North Tulsa you will find some very frightening areas.  If you drive an additional block or two, you will run into beautiful well kept homes and children playing in mowed front lawns.  Do you really think this is because the government swooped in and cleaned up, or perhaps is it because  the people who live there take responsibility for their own surroundings?

I have a neighbor who is unable to mow his lawn, and unwilling to hire someone to do it. He's a nut-case!  I, or someone else in the neighborhood, mow his lawn every week.  I don't want to, but it's my community, and I'm not about to go crying to the city because I live across the street from a dufus.  

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar
I have a neighbor who is unable to mow his lawn, and unwilling to hire someone to do it. He's a nut-case!  I, or someone else in the neighborhood, mow his lawn every week.  I don't want to, but it's my community, and I'm not about to go crying to the city because I live across the street from a dufus.  

I really appreciate it. By the way, you missed a spot.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I really appreciate it. By the way, you missed a spot.

Hey! I left you the clippings. []

[FOTD]

City Hall is run by stooges. You don't like it, move.

[RecycleMichael]

FOTD and doubleA have once again blamed the elected officials for all the world's problems. Between you two, you have attacked the council, the Mayor, the state reps and senators, the U.S. reps and senators from Oklahoma, the Governor and the President.

It is funny that FOTD suggested that somebody else should move.

My question for you two malcontents is...are there any elected official around here that you do support?

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

FOTD and doubleA have once again blamed the elected officials for all the world's problems. Between you two, you have attacked the council, the Mayor, the state reps and senators, the U.S. reps and senators from Oklahoma, the Governor and the President.

It is funny that FOTD suggested that somebody else should move.

My question for you two malcontents is...are there any elected official around here that you do support?

You've got a conflict of interest. So, cut with the personal attacks.

It's not the elected officials I have a problem. It's the idiots they get their information from, the underlings tied to the people who care only for themselves, and the incompetents they continue to let make mistake after mistake without accountability.

[FOTD]

It's not the elected officials I have a problem. It's the idiots they get their information from, the underlings tied to the people who care only for themselves, and the incompetents they continue to let make mistake after mistake without accountability.