Negativity in Tulsa...

[godboko71]

I am constantly amazed at the overwhelming negativity of the populous of Tulsa about everything Tulsa.

Maybe I had a weird upbringing but I was taught to be proud of where I come from, to take pride in the good and help change the bad.

Sitting and whinnying and wanting everyone else to fix if for you just doesn't get the job done. Get off your butt and do something, even if thats just calling th mayors action line and calling in pot holes, writing your representatives and council people.

Better yet do research form plans get action in city hall meetings, be part of the solution. Do anything but spew hate for everything in and of Tulsa, if thats all you want to do, please do us all a favor and MOVE.

Maybe I am the only one seeing all his negativity and hate, I don't know but it is a sad sad thing indeed.

[RecycleMichael]

Negativity?

I'm against it.

[Hoss]

I actually did call in, several times to the Mayor's action line, a line of potholes in my neighborhood that I'd gotten to know on a personal basis at about 7:15 AM and 5:15 PM on every weekday.

You know what eventually worked?

http://www.cityoftulsa.org/Reporting/Potholes.asp

I submitted the problem; it was fixed the next day.  Don't know if that's coincidence, but I was rather happy.  Not only did they fix the ones I indicated, they fixed every pothole from the main road down this residential.  Granted fixing was just filling them with asphalt, at least they did something.

And if you want negativity, mosey on over to the Whirled website and read any of the articles regarding the BOK Center and their comments.  Especially if you need a good laugh.

[godboko71]

Yeah well the pot holes was just an example and I was just venting my annoyance at alol the nah saying do nothings out there.

Anywho I feel better, and truthfully I hate reading KOTV or any of the places here that have comments. The uneducated masses come out... kind of scary.

[inteller]

it's reality.  get used to it.

[godboko71]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

it's reality.  get used to it.

Being used to something is one thing, liking it is another.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

it's reality.  get used to it.

Slavery was a reality.  Racism is still a reality. Shall we just get used to it?

Germany used to invade France every other decade, never got used to it.

Tulsa was shedding jobs like dog hair in the spring, good thing we didn't just get used to it.

People die a slow and painful death from cancer all too often.  Disease rots the brains of loved ones.  Children are sexual abused every day - just get used to it.

That's just a horrible attitude to have.  Your world must be very sad if you "just get used to" such things.  Nearly everything that is bad can be changed or at least addressed.  At VERY least you could have a desire to see it changed, instead of just accepting it as it is.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by godboko71

Yeah well the pot holes was just an example and I was just venting my annoyance at alol the nah saying do nothings out there.

Anywho I feel better, and truthfully I hate reading KOTV or any of the places here that have comments. The uneducated masses come out... kind of scary.

The negative commenters are not representative of Tulsans generally.  I've noticed that in almost any forum, it's the complainers who are loudest.  Those who are content have less reason to speak up.  So you're getting an unrepresentative sample of the views of most Tulsans when you read comments on the Tulsa World or KOTV.  

What is most interesting to me is the class resentment that bubbles up.  There's a bogeyman called the "Midtown Elite" that is purported to be wholly self-interested and destructive for Tulsa.  In the eyes of some, the invisible oligarchical forces in town want to suck everyone else dry to create exclusive playgrounds for the wealthy.  It's a hilarious, but somewhat widespread meme.  For whatever reason, Tulsa bloggers seem to push the idea: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22midtown+elite%22+tulsa&hl=en&filter=0
When I see that kind of thing, I always wonder about their motivations.

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by godboko71

I am constantly amazed at the overwhelming negativity of the populous of Tulsa about everything Tulsa.

Maybe I had a weird upbringing but I was taught to be proud of where I come from, to take pride in the good and help change the bad.

Sitting and whinnying and wanting everyone else to fix if for you just doesn't get the job done. Get off your butt and do something, even if thats just calling th mayors action line and calling in pot holes, writing your representatives and council people.

Better yet do research form plans get action in city hall meetings, be part of the solution. Do anything but spew hate for everything in and of Tulsa, if thats all you want to do, please do us all a favor and MOVE.

Maybe I am the only one seeing all his negativity and hate, I don't know but it is a sad sad thing indeed.

the overall attitude (generally speaking) is anything the major, tmapc, or city council does is wrong, stupid, etc etc.  Once again, I said GENERALLY SPEAKING.  There are some great people on these boards who have an overall sincere concern about Tulsa and do alot of things to help the city grow.  

But you know as well as I do, anything/anyone in the public eye is going to receive criticism.

I think alot of the negative attitude on this board comes from inteller, I hate to call people out, but like I have previously stated, the man is nothing but negative about EVERYTHING he posts.

[Breadburner]

You negative bastards.....[]

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by godboko71

Yeah well the pot holes was just an example and I was just venting my annoyance at alol the nah saying do nothings out there.

Anywho I feel better, and truthfully I hate reading KOTV or any of the places here that have comments. The uneducated masses come out... kind of scary.

The negative commenters are not representative of Tulsans generally.  I've noticed that in almost any forum, it's the complainers who are loudest.  Those who are content have less reason to speak up.  So you're getting an unrepresentative sample of the views of most Tulsans when you read comments on the Tulsa World or KOTV.  

What is most interesting to me is the class resentment that bubbles up.  There's a bogeyman called the "Midtown Elite" that is purported to be wholly self-interested and destructive for Tulsa.  In the eyes of some, the invisible oligarchical forces in town want to suck everyone else dry to create exclusive playgrounds for the wealthy.  It's a hilarious, but somewhat widespread meme.  For whatever reason, Tulsa bloggers seem to push the idea: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22midtown+elite%22+tulsa&hl=en&filter=0
When I see that kind of thing, I always wonder about their motivations.

if it weren't true, there wouldn't be talk about them.  The most recent face to the nebulous midtown entity was the Channels and failed river vote.  But really you don't need faces and names...the actions speak for themselves.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by godboko71

Yeah well the pot holes was just an example and I was just venting my annoyance at alol the nah saying do nothings out there.

Anywho I feel better, and truthfully I hate reading KOTV or any of the places here that have comments. The uneducated masses come out... kind of scary.

The negative commenters are not representative of Tulsans generally.  I've noticed that in almost any forum, it's the complainers who are loudest.  Those who are content have less reason to speak up.  So you're getting an unrepresentative sample of the views of most Tulsans when you read comments on the Tulsa World or KOTV.  

What is most interesting to me is the class resentment that bubbles up.  There's a bogeyman called the "Midtown Elite" that is purported to be wholly self-interested and destructive for Tulsa.  In the eyes of some, the invisible oligarchical forces in town want to suck everyone else dry to create exclusive playgrounds for the wealthy.  It's a hilarious, but somewhat widespread meme.  For whatever reason, Tulsa bloggers seem to push the idea: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22midtown+elite%22+tulsa&hl=en&filter=0
When I see that kind of thing, I always wonder about their motivations.

if it weren't true, there wouldn't be talk about them.  The most recent face to the nebulous midtown entity was the Channels and failed river vote.  But really you don't need faces and names...the actions speak for themselves.

Love that circular reasoning!

[PonderInc]

I think about this every time I attend a public meeting.  I can come up with several theories, but realize that they all rely on generalizations.

1.) People are always louder when they're complaining than when they are content.  You never hear a person with a bullhorn screaming to people walking by "I am so happy!  Life is good!  I have a great job, great friends, I'm in love and having lots of sex!"

2.) Fear is a bigger motivator than happiness...and most people are afraid of change.  (Watch people at work when they know a layoff is coming.  Or just come to a public meeting where some minor change to the zoning code will be made.) Even if what we have right  now sucks, at least it's predictable and familiar.  Change?  Different and scary! (And some people/politicians cater to this fear, and promote a sense of unity through victimhood.)

3.) The more daring and adventurous people who were born in Tulsa tend to leave before they turn 21...in search of adventure, new opportunities, and kinship with others who think big.  Since Tulsa doesn't exactly shout "daring and adventurous" (unless you're from Poteau), we have a net loss of risk-takers from our community.  Thus, a lot of the people who like to "think outside the box" have already escaped the box we call home.

4.) Public meetings (and public forums!) attract wackos for the same reason AM talk radio attracts wackos.  (Again, this is a generalization...)  Most of the smart, rational, educated, professional people in town are too busy to sit around at public meetings listening to wackos and naysayers.  They are turned off by the tenor of the debate, or they don't have time to attend in the first place.  Or, they are simply "take action" people with no tolerance for whiners.  The bad thing is that these are the people whose voices we most need to hear.  Weighing in rationally and with educated opinions about things that matter to our community.

[Kashmir]

One thing that surprised me when I started on this forum was the anti-southside negativity.  I know it can be retail hell now, but for someone who grew up in the Union/Southeast area long before LowesSupertargetHomeDepotetc...was built it was a  place with it's own flavor. To hear of it here, some people assume others live here for the retail convenience/big box bonanza!  Not true.     Especially if that's where your roots are, ya know?
And I'm done...

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Kashmir

One thing that surprised me when I started on this forum was the anti-southside negativity.  I know it can be retail hell now, but for someone who grew up in the Union/Southeast area long before LowesSupertargetHomeDepotetc...was built it was a  place with it's own flavor. To hear of it here, some people assume others live here for the retail convenience/big box bonanza!  Not true.     Especially if that's where your roots are, ya know?
And I'm done...

that's because that area has more retail activity than the dead buildings downtown and it drives the urban zealots mad.