Mob in Tulsa 2

[citizen72]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

It's probably Roger Hardesty...

Jesus man you have nerve. I would think you had better be real anonymous because Roger protects his reputation seriously. I know I would not say anything like that about him.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by citizen72

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

It's probably Roger Hardesty...

Jesus man you have nerve. I would think you had better be real anonymous because Roger protects his reputation seriously. I know I would not say anything like that about him.

Lol...It wasn't meant to be offensive....

[yayaya]

wow-I remember that bomb in the driveway too-the Nelson's lived behind my grandfather-was your dad on the same court?  Since my dad was a lawyer, I remember being scared too.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by yayaya

wow-I remember that bomb in the driveway too-the Nelson's lived behind my grandfather-was your dad on the same court?  Since my dad was a lawyer, I remember being scared too.

Tulsa District...general docket.

[mr.jaynes]

Although in the predecessor to this this thread, I'd mentioned a girl whose father and uncle I suspected of being mobbed up, I remember 4 others, who'd claimed mob connections: 3 I went to school with, and another I knew in passing, and I doubt any of them met each other.

One had the last name of Carrico, and when examining the origin of that name, it would seem more from Spain and Portugal than from Sicily. Another tried to Italianize his last name but to no avail; he looked too Teutonic to be of Italian extraction.

Now the third, he was a real piece of work. Anytime he didn't get his way on something, he'd huff and puff about having "connections," and whatever. Also claimed to have "friends" with the Crips and the Bloods and the Piru's, as well as Neo-Nazi skinheads. He also liked to cry Wolf too many times, that someone was after him, whatever; I should think his friens could bail him out, lol.

Now this last guy, much older than me, claimed to have been a part of the Mafia, and tried to set the record straight," as it were, about the Mafia. Although not even Italian (much less even Sicilian), he claimed to have been a courier for the Mafia, but was "inactive" at this time. Claimed that it was actually a religious organization founded and run by Dominican monks.

I personally think each of the afforementioned individuals were, shall we say, full of horse manure, and there did seem to be an element of mental instability with each of them. If any of them had any knowledge about Mob life, it'd chill them to their knucklebones.

But hey, it was entertaining....

[citizen72]

Years ago when my wife and I were still dating we went to the old Avalon steakhouse one evening. We walked in and there was not a single women in that whole place. There was however about two dozen men setting in various locations in the restaurant all with black suits on and black or silver ties. We ate our steaks and all the while we were attracting a lot of interest from these guys. The Avalon had a bit of a reputation back then and after that night I believed most of it.

[Conan71]

The last time I was in the "old" Avalon was right at three years ago.  I believe they had a small lobby area you had to be "buzzed in" from at one point back in the day.

[KingMutt]

I agree with Mr. Jaynes, anyone who claims to be in the mob is probably full of it.  I never said these people claimed anything.

Again, so you guys get my point, what sparked my interest was a very well dressed couple, he is a big man, fat but looks like an ex linebacker (like the Iceman off HBO), dressed in expensive clothes, gold jewelry, and just a frightening air.  She is a real hottie, jet black hair and great clothes and jewelry.  I once saw this guy driving a new big Mercedes, smoking a cigar.  The times I have seen them out they seem to throw money around.  Then I happened to be out with my girlfriend and her family, and see this couple out, the guy has a pistol strapped to his ankle in a holster.

Now I know a lot of people carry guns in Oklahoma...but on your ankle?  Why not in a holster on your belt, or in your pocket? The ankle just seems like a "professional" place to carry a gun.

Given we are in Tulsa, which is not like Jersey, Philly, NYC, Miami, LA, or even Dallas or KC, seeing these kind of people just strikes me as really strange and interesting.

So, again, that was my reason for the post.  It's not like i talked to this guy and he said he was "connected" or anyone said he said that. In fact if anything, they seemed to be minding their own business.  I have just never seen anyone like these people in Tulsa, I did back in Jersey when I was a kid. Like I said, my dad warned me about them.

So, just to set it straight, I never heard these people have claimed to be in anything.  I am just basing my questions of my own speculation and imagination.  And just wondered if you all had any ideas.

OK, now I really will let this drop, and thank you guys for being patient with me.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by KingMutt

I agree with Mr. Jaynes, anyone who claims to be in the mob is probably full of it.  

And what's more, people in the Mob or with those connections aren't exactly gonna advertise it publicly.

Off the subject, the acquaintence who'd claimed to have been a courier for the Mafia made other interesting claims about himself. He'd claimed to have been the backup guitarist for the 1960s folk-rock group The Lovin' Spoonful; claimed that he'd had an extensive collection of comic book art from Captain America artists Jack Kirby and Mike Zeck (I don't keep up with comic books, so whatever); claimed that he was privy to talks with Japanese companies looking to buy the Harley Davidson company; claimed that in the 1960s, he and the late Abbie Hoffman used to run guns to various antiwar groups; and that he served in the Airborne Rangers during the Vietnam War. So that whole routine about the Mob just didn't wash.

As for the guy who'd claimed connections to the Mob, the Crips, the Bloods, the Pirus and the Skinheads, he was sort of the little boy who cried Wolf too many times. So whenever he'd threaten to sic his Mob connections on someone, a friend of mine would toss him a Quarter and say, "bring it on." He's still alive and in one piece and never got taken for a ride, so to speak, so it was probably a bluff all along. Same guy, the boy who cried Wolf, would also threaten to commit suicide if he didn't get a ride here and there. I must conclude that he had a histrionic disorder in his psychological makeup somewhere.

[Conan71]

If the fellow mentioned looks like Paul Sorvino, his last name isn't Italian.  I bumped into him over the weekend with a hottie in tow.  The guy is an oil and gas trader.

[bigdtottown]

Oil & Gas bid'ness eh,definitely some characters in that industry...although it has cleaned up considerably from the "old days".

[tulsacyclist]

Next time you see him, take his picture and post it here. I'm sure he won't mind.

[KingMutt]

I am the OP.  Guy doesn't look like Paul Sorvino, looks the ICEMAN from HBO (That guy who was a contract killer in NJ). My girlfriend's parents saw them out with a well known lawyer and his wife. Said when the guy went to pay the bar tab, he pulled a roll of bills from his pocket that would choke a horse. I think I know their names, but evidently the guy is a lawyer, makes a lot of bank and he and his wife are kinda recluses.

Anyway, I am not about to get sued (or worse), live and let live.  To my knowledge, this guy has never claimed to be "mobbed up," or anything, but he is related to a family that had a big Italian restaraunt here years ago.

Maybe he just has the misfortune to look like a gangster. Again, the strange thing for me was he was carrying a pistol on his ankle. Not that he had a gun, just where he was carrying it.

Back East guys who look like that should be avoided.

Anyway, I am not trying to reopen this thread, just responding.

[Breadburner]

The one on the ankle is more than likely a back up.....

[PonderInc]

I agree that it's a backup weapon.  Unless the guy's a yogi master, the ankle gun is only helpful when seated.  I mean, after a certain age, it's hard enough to put your underwear on while standing up...or get your shoes back on in the airport security line.  Imagine trying to draw your ankle pistol in a pinch (insert visual image of mobster hopping around on one foot, while trying to reach down for gun...)