TU, OU among top national colleges, OSU not

[swake]

The University of Tulsa was again ranked as the best college in Oklahoma, placing respectable 88th on US News and World Reports ranking of national universities. OU was ranked 112. No other Oklahoma college placed in the top 124 schools.

Oklahoma should do better, but, compared to the states that border Oklahoma, two schools is not bad, not great, but not bad, as usual, we are mediocre.

Texas placed six schools, and with nearly ten times Oklahoma's population, that's really not good. Rice was 17th, UT was 47th, SMU placed 70th, Texas A&M was 60th, Baylor was 81st and TCU placed 105th.

Missouri had three schools (with twice the population) Washington University was ranked 12th , MU was tied with TU at 88th, MU-Rolla was 112th, tied with OU.

Slightly smaller populated Kansas had two, KU tied with MU and OU at 88th and Kansas State was 124th.

Colorado with a population just about like Oklahoma's three schools, CU at 77th , The University of Denver at 88th and CSU at 124th.

Louisiana had one school, Tulane at 44th

Arkansas and New Mexico placed zero schools.

Now, OSU needs to get more competitive and not just with mega sports facilities. The Big 12 is all over this report

Texas 47th
Texas A&M 60th
Colorado 77th
Iowa State 81st
Baylor 81st
Kansas 88th
Missouri 88th
Oklahoma 112th
Kansas State 124th

Texas Tech, Nebraska and OSU are the only ones not on the list, that's bad.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by swake

The University of Tulsa was again ranked as the best college in Oklahoma, placing respectable 88th on US News and World Reports ranking of national universities. OU was ranked 112. No other Oklahoma college placed in the top 124 schools.

Oklahoma should do better, but, compared to the states that border Oklahoma, two schools is not bad, not great, but not bad, as usual, we are mediocre.

Texas placed six schools, and with nearly ten times Oklahoma's population, that's really not good. Rice was 17th, UT was 47th, SMU placed 70th, Texas A&M was 60th, Baylor was 81st and TCU placed 105th.

Missouri had three schools (with twice the population) Washington University was ranked 12th , MU was tied with TU at 88th, MU-Rolla was 112th, tied with OU.

Slightly smaller populated Kansas had two, KU tied with MU and OU at 88th and Kansas State was 124th.

Colorado with a population just about like Oklahoma's three schools, CU at 77th , The University of Denver at 88th and CSU at 124th.

Louisiana had one school, Tulane at 44th

Arkansas and New Mexico placed zero schools.

Now, OSU needs to get more competitive and not just with mega sports facilities. The Big 12 is all over this report

Texas 47th
Texas A&M 60th
Colorado 77th
Iowa State 81st
Baylor 81st
Kansas 88th
Missouri 88th
Oklahoma 112th
Kansas State 124th

Texas Tech, Nebraska and OSU are the only ones not on the list, that's bad.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php

98. Univ. of Nebraska—Lincoln

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by swake

The University of Tulsa was again ranked as the best college in Oklahoma, placing respectable 88th on US News and World Reports ranking of national universities. OU was ranked 112. No other Oklahoma college placed in the top 124 schools.

Oklahoma should do better, but, compared to the states that border Oklahoma, two schools is not bad, not great, but not bad, as usual, we are mediocre.

Texas placed six schools, and with nearly ten times Oklahoma's population, that's really not good. Rice was 17th, UT was 47th, SMU placed 70th, Texas A&M was 60th, Baylor was 81st and TCU placed 105th.

Missouri had three schools (with twice the population) Washington University was ranked 12th , MU was tied with TU at 88th, MU-Rolla was 112th, tied with OU.

Slightly smaller populated Kansas had two, KU tied with MU and OU at 88th and Kansas State was 124th.

Colorado with a population just about like Oklahoma's three schools, CU at 77th , The University of Denver at 88th and CSU at 124th.

Louisiana had one school, Tulane at 44th

Arkansas and New Mexico placed zero schools.

Now, OSU needs to get more competitive and not just with mega sports facilities. The Big 12 is all over this report

Texas 47th
Texas A&M 60th
Colorado 77th
Iowa State 81st
Baylor 81st
Kansas 88th
Missouri 88th
Oklahoma 112th
Kansas State 124th

Texas Tech, Nebraska and OSU are the only ones not on the list, that's bad.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php

98. Univ. of Nebraska—Lincoln

Ah, missed that, thanks

So OSU is one of two big twelve schools not on the list, that's downright pathetic.

But, hey, they've got a nice new football stadium mostly done, a new hopefully sober basketball coach and and are building a huge new athletic village. How's the schoolin going? Who cares, ask coach Gundy how the team's gonna do this year!

I hate to say it, but OU has passed OSU is so many real ways, and is moving further away. Someone needs to find OSU a president like Boren is for OU. George Nigh? Pickens? Who could reinvent OSU?

[RecycleMichael]

OSU is fifty percent harder to spell than OU.

[Conan71]

Swake, what was the criteria for the poll?  IOW- what were the standards they were looking at, I mean tops at what and how did they quantify it?

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Swake, what was the criteria for the poll?  IOW- what were the standards they were looking at, I mean tops at what and how did they quantify it?

Here are the criteria shown at the top of the page linked by Swake.

Peer assessment score
Average freshman retention rate
Faculty resources rank
% of classes w/50 or more
% faculty who are full time
SAT/ACT 25th-75th percentile
Acceptance rate
Graduation & retention rank
2005 predicted graduation rate
2005 Actual graduation rate
2005 overperf.(+)/ underperf.(-)
% of classes w/fewer than 20
Student/ faculty ratio
Selectivity rank
Freshmen in top 10% of HS class
Financial resources rank
Alumni giving rank
Avg. alumni

[DM]

Great job TU. I am really glad that TU is moving up in ranks.

[tj88]

quote:Originally posted by swake

Originally posted by Oil Capital

Originally posted by swake

Someone needs to find OSU a president like Boren is for OU. George Nigh? Pickens? Who could reinvent OSU?

Yeah, someone like Boren.  Someone who can fudge the numbers just to crack into a certain tier on a list that doesn't mean a damn thing.  

What makes that list any better than this one?

Washington Monthly

Answer:  Nothing.  They are both worthless.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by tj88

quote:Originally posted by swake

Originally posted by Oil Capital

Originally posted by swake

Someone needs to find OSU a president like Boren is for OU. George Nigh? Pickens? Who could reinvent OSU?

Yeah, someone like Boren.  Someone who can fudge the numbers just to crack into a certain tier on a list that doesn't mean a damn thing.  

What makes that list any better than this one?

Washington Monthly

Answer:  Nothing.  They are both worthless.

rankings are rankings... statistics are statistics... the devil is always in the methodology... one must be careful about how they interpret the data...

however, to imply that boren has skewed numbers to get ou to out rank osu sounds like sour grapes...

[guido911]

Props to my alma mater TU

[SoonerRiceGrad]

A&M, are you effing kidding me?

[SXSW]

TU is definitely moving up, not just academically but also in athletics and overall facilities.  A Top 100 national university in midtown Tulsa is a wonderful asset for sure.

OU will always be the "flagship" university in the state.  OU has certain programs that are better than OSU and vice versa.  OSU should really prioritize creating a large and respected OSU-Tulsa that is more independent of its neighbor in Stillwater.  It would be great to see OU-Tulsa expanded as well so Tulsa could be home to two public and two private universities, possibly with as many as 40,000 students combined in the next 20 years.  Tulsa...college town?

[PonderInc]

It's late, and I might be missing something...but from reading the first post on this thread, I see that TU, KU and Missouri are all ranked 88th.

Am I missing something?  Or is there a 3-way tie for 88th place?  In which case, TU wins hands down b/c I doubt there are many opportunities at KU or MU where freshmen get to enjoy being taught by PhD's with a class size of 10-20 students.

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

It's late, and I might be missing something...but from reading the first post on this thread, I see that TU, KU and Missouri are all ranked 88th.

Am I missing something?  Or is there a 3-way tie for 88th place?  In which case, TU wins hands down b/c I doubt there are many opportunities at KU or MU where freshmen get to enjoy being taught by PhD's with a class size of 10-20 students.

What you are missing is that the student/faculty ratio and the percent of faculty that is full-time are both already factors in the rankings, as are the % of classes smaller than 20, and faculty resources rank.

[okiebybirth]

Oklahoma State ranked 86th on Washinton Monthly college rankings...
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0609.national.html