...Rise in crime around Cherry Street?

[AMP]

Perhaps you are correct, guess I should install bars on my windows, install metal commercial doors and door jams with multiple high end locks, hire a Cleet Certified Armed Guard posted on the roof with a night vision sight rifle, install a couple of sophisticated alarm systems. Purchase security cameras complete with 24/7 surveillance off site recording equipment, pack a Glock 9mm Pistol on my person and wear a Guardian Technologies International Kevlar bullet proof chest protector made my Ollie North's company.

All of my thefts have been reported to the local authorities, Sheriff when I lived in the County and Police when I lived in the Cities.  

Only two have had anything recovered, one was because my neighbor's x-girlfriend told me her x-boyfriend had broken into my house and stole my property, and informed me where my Television and VCR had been sold to and were they were.  Thief had moved to Lawton so that was the end of that part

None of other property I have had stolen has ever been recovered with the exception of our large fireproof safe that was found in a garage in west Tulsa with the top cut off of it and was ruined. They are made from thin sheet metal with a core of cement type product poured between the sheet metal.  Pretty cheaply made and very easy to access with the proper tool.   It was held at Al Storey Wrecker Service and had a $243 towing and storage bill against it.

I once had my lawnmower stolen out of my front yard while I was mowing the lawn one-day.  I walked inside the house to grab a drink of water and left it running by the front porch, when thieves rolled it down the street.  Guess I should have taken it inside my house with me, just being stupid and naive again I suppose.  Or living in a City that breeds or attracts thieves by the thousands apparently.  I say it is the latter.  Don't recall in the not to distant past having to bring everything inside, and lock doors every moment in time you are not occupying a dwelling or vehicle.  

That is why I posted the photo of MAD MAX ROAD WARRIOR, as today it seems we are beginning to live in that type of era.  

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

Perhaps you are correct, guess I should install bars on my windows, install metal commercial doors and door jams with multiple high end locks, hire a Cleet Certified Armed Guard posted on the roof with a night vision sight rifle, install a couple of sophisticated alarm systems. Purchase security cameras complete with 24/7 surveillance off site recording equipment, pack a Glock 9mm Pistol on my person and wear a Guardian Technologies International Kevlar bullet proof chest protector made my Ollie North's company.

cute...
but how about you just lock your doors, get a dog and an alarm... and avoid providing people with options for crimes of opportunity...

[AMP]

My home doors were locked, I owned a trained German Shepard I purchased from Valiantdale Kennels - Cathy Watson who breeds and trains dogs for several police departments in the area, and I had a working monitored alarm system.  None of which stopped the thieves from stealing the majority of my belongings.  

My point is I owned and used all that equipment, had a locked fence, alarms, double cylinder dead bolt locks, and dog and they did not help me one bit.  

Locked fence gate they just lifted it off the hinges, alarm system's phone lines - they just cut them, full length glass window in rear door - they broke it out and walk through the opening, and the dog, guess he was happy to have visitors that day.  

"Locks only slow down honest people."

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

My home doors were locked, I owned a trained German Shepard I purchased from Valiendale Kennels Cathy Watson who breeds and trains dogs for several police departments in the area, and I had a working monitored alarm system.  None of which stopped the thieves from stealing the majority of my belongings.  

My point is I owned and used all that equipment, had a locked fence, alarms, double cylinder dead bolt locks, and dog and they did not help me one bit.  

Locked fence gate they just lifted it off the hinges, phone lines they just cut them, glass broke it out and walk through the opening, and the dog, guess he was happy to have visitors that day.  

"Locks only slow down honest people."

My gawd man! What neighborhood do you live in?
Walking off with a running mower. Thats rich.

I did lose a good wheelbarrow that way. Left it full of debris on the curb for the garbage truck and some minority type guys simply dumped it and took it away. I gave them the benefit of the doubt that being of a different culture they thought I was getting rid of it as well as the trash. Lots of really good stuff gets put on the curb to be thrown away in my hood. I've been known to resurrect a perfectly good picture frame or slightly damaged chair myself.[]

[AMP]

The mower was stolen from me in 1987 when I lived near 61st and Sheridan.  I thought it ran out of gas.  But when I walked out the front door it was gone!  I had some medium priced lawn furniture stolen out of the backyard when I lived there, as well as the stereo stolen out of my pickup truck one weekend.

Does not seem to matter where you live, my sister;s home near Southern Hills country club has been hit four times in 8 years.  So the neighborhood does not seem to matter.  

My sister in Nashville, Tennessee was burglarized two years ago, thieves follwed her on her errands that day, while others were in her home.  She noticed a stranger following her.  Upon arriving back at home, an analog clock had been unpluged and stopped running just 5 minutes before she pulled into her driveway.  She was on the cell phone to her husband as she had become nervous thinking she was being followed.   Turned out she was right.  Her lucky day.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

The mower was stolen from me in 1987 when I lived near 61st and Sheridan.  I thought it ran out of gas.  But when I walked out the front door it was gone!  I had some medium priced lawn furniture stolen out of the backyard when I lived there, as well as the stereo stolen out of my pickup truck one weekend.

Does not seem to matter where you live, my sister;s home near Southern Hills country club has been hit four times in 8 years.  So the neighborhood does not seem to matter.  

My sister in Nashville, Tennessee was burglarized two years ago, thieves follwed her on her errands that day, while others were in her home.  She noticed a stranger following her.  Upon arriving back at home, an analog clock had been unpluged and stopped running just 5 minutes before she pulled into her driveway.  She was on the cell phone to her husband as she had become nervous thinking she was being followed.   Turned out she was right.  Her lucky day.

I have been roundly criticized on this forum for stating the obvious but felt vindicated late this week when a TPD officer stated on camera that "Tulsa is awash with drugs right now" and that is what is driving the petty thievery and crime in general.

I think the pervasive drug use, from prescription abuse to heroin, changes the brain. It changes at all education and income levels too. Explains why a business manager for an estate will skim money from their trusting client. The opportunity is there and its so easy to do. Just a thought.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

My home doors were locked, I owned a trained German Shepard I purchased from Valiendale Kennels Cathy Watson who breeds and trains dogs for several police departments in the area, and I had a working monitored alarm system.  None of which stopped the thieves from stealing the majority of my belongings.  

My point is I owned and used all that equipment, had a locked fence, alarms, double cylinder dead bolt locks, and dog and they did not help me one bit.  

Locked fence gate they just lifted it off the hinges, phone lines they just cut them, glass broke it out and walk through the opening, and the dog, guess he was happy to have visitors that day.  

"Locks only slow down honest people."

good lord...

just try and park in front of my house at night,  let alone walk up to my porch or gate and see the response you get from my two shepherds... my front door is covered with slobber that flies off of gnashing teeth... they hate everyone, except us...

[RecycleMichael]

No Bruno...your dogs really like me.

One of them held my flashlight in his mouth and the other one brought me a sandwich when I was snooping in your window the other night.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by AMP

Perhaps you are correct, guess I should install bars on my windows, install metal commercial doors and door jams with multiple high end locks, hire a Cleet Certified Armed Guard posted on the roof with a night vision sight rifle, install a couple of sophisticated alarm systems. Purchase security cameras complete with 24/7 surveillance off site recording equipment, pack a Glock 9mm Pistol on my person and wear a Guardian Technologies International Kevlar bullet proof chest protector made my Ollie North's company.

cute...
but how about you just lock your doors, get a dog and an alarm... and avoid providing people with options for crimes of opportunity...

The point is, don't let yourself be a victim.  Would we all like to live in a city where we don't have to lock our doors, can leave your purse in the front seat of your car while you run a Riverparks, leave your car running while you run into Quik Trip or leave your lawn mower or bicycle in the front yard?  Sure we would.  But that is not realistic here.

Now, if you do all things right and you still get victimized, that is just one determined crook.  Most crooks look for the easy stuff.

Just don't be easy!!!

[AMP]

Several businesses that folks I have known in Tulsa have closed recently due to the owners spending all their extra money at the Casinos.  

I would submit that the Casinos play a role in a part of this current crime spree in Tulsa.

[izmophonik]

Okay, I originally started this post and I'd like to make a comment to the "just don't let yourself be easy" person.  Last night 6..count'em SIX CARS were broken into along the alleyway behind Saint Louis between 16th and 17th street and another 7 or so broken into the the opposite street.  Does anyone have any ideas on what a neighborhood can do to put a stop to this?  Cameras are good but police can't spend all day chasing down some person that I took with an infrared camera.  All this stuff happened at 4:00 a.m. this morning.  What gives?  Swan Lake isn't supposed to be like this.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by izmophonik

Okay, I originally started this post and I'd like to make a comment to the "just don't let yourself be easy" person.  Last night 6..count'em SIX CARS were broken into along the alleyway behind Saint Louis between 16th and 17th street and another 7 or so broken into the the opposite street.  Does anyone have any ideas on what a neighborhood can do to put a stop to this?  Cameras are good but police can't spend all day chasing down some person that I took with an infrared camera.  All this stuff happened at 4:00 a.m. this morning.  What gives?  Swan Lake isn't supposed to be like this.

Just look at all the scum that walks up and down 15th all day and night....we ran one out of the parking lot of the Full Moon the other night...I asked him if he was a thief and he said yes....The cops on that beat could do 15th a favor by stopping and questioning some of them.....

[izmophonik]

Yep.  I've seen some weird folks strolling around 15th.  I think they come from "NOCHE" (North of Cherry) The thing is, if you lock your car they bust the window..if you don't lock it that is one less thing to replace.  We can't win at all on this one.  Short of doing guard duty with a pistol all night I don't know what to do.  15-20 break-ins in two weeks is just absurd for what this area is supposed to be.

[AMP]

Last summer we toyed with the idea of holding a car cruise in show in the drug store parking lot at 4th and Sheridan on a friday night.  However, upon holding a preliminary display there we discovered there were an extraordinary number of folks that walk, and walk around more than just on a mission, in that area.  

Nothing against exercise and walking, however many of these individuals appear to suffer from drug and alcohol abuse, some have mental conditions while others were prostitutes that were propositioning some of the people that had their vehicles on display there.

Most business owners in that area concured that there are major problems similar to these in that, and in many other areas in Tulsa.

[deinstein]

It's not north of 13th Street that is shady, it is north of the BA Expressway that is big boundary.

I don't like the area to live, I just moved from the 1400 block of Trenton Ave. to a place in Maple Ridge. Much more quiet and right around the corner.