If you had 10 million to donate to Tulsa...

[Gaspar]

I would buy a building downtown, open a business and employ a bunch of people.

(begin sarcasm)

Nah!,  I'd just "spread the wealth around"  $25.44 for everyone.

That would really boost our economy, wouldn't it.

Wait a minute.  I wouldn't give any to wealthy people who make over $250,000, so it would be about $25.64 for everyone.

That's my plan.

(end sarcasm)

Follow-up question:

What will you do with the $25.64 I'm going to give you?

[OurTulsa]

Or in substitute for all that I listed previously:

Establish an Institute for Sustainable Practices to promote energy conservation, alternative energy, environmental stewardship, clean air, alternative modes of transportation and compact/walkable land use development...

Partner with Kaiser's Energy Policy Institute, TU, OU and OSU-Tulsa, local governments...

...and I'd put that in the Brady too (jk)

to assist in advocating RM's idea to put solar panels on the QT Center at the Fairgrounds.  What a great idea!

[mrburns918]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

I would buy a building downtown, open a business and employ a bunch of people.

(begin sarcasm)

Nah!,  I'd just "spread the wealth around"  $25.44 for everyone.

That would really boost our economy, wouldn't it.

Wait a minute.  I wouldn't give any to wealthy people who make over $250,000, so it would be about $25.64 for everyone.

That's my plan.

(end sarcasm)

Follow-up question:

What will you do with the $25.64 I'm going to give you?

Heeellloooooo Dalesandro's!

Mr. Burns

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

A million each to:


Solar panels for the IPE (Quik-Trip) center. If there was ever a perfectly designed building to install solar panels. it is this one. It could generate enough power to run most of the needs of the entire EXPO Square.

Interesting idea.  
The roof of the QT Center with it's pitch is 477,204 sq.ft.  

You can get 26,511 standard BP 24V 175W solar panels on that surface.

The cost would be $31,680,645 without installation wiring or any electrical conversion equipment.  

You would have to grid-tie-inverters to match the power to AC and insure grid sine wave compatibility, so I'd add an additional $8 to $10 million to the cost.  

I would estimate installation and hardware at around $15.9 million.

May have to reinforce the roof of the building because the weight exceeds a million pounds in panels, wiring, and hardware (901,374 lbs for just the panels at 34 lbs each).

It certainly wouldn't be able to supply all of the power that the QT center needs, but it may be able to provide a percentage on very sunny days, and could certainly provide most of the power during non-event times on sunny days.

Comes out to about $55 to $60 mill.

[dbacks fan]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

I would buy a building downtown, open a business and employ a bunch of people.

(begin sarcasm)

Nah!,  I'd just "spread the wealth around"  $25.44 for everyone.

That would really boost our economy, wouldn't it.

Wait a minute.  I wouldn't give any to wealthy people who make over $250,000, so it would be about $25.64 for everyone.

That's my plan.

(end sarcasm)

Follow-up question:

What will you do with the $25.64 I'm going to give you?



Buy a tanks of gas.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by mrburns918

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

I would buy a building downtown, open a business and employ a bunch of people.

(begin sarcasm)

Nah!,  I'd just "spread the wealth around"  $25.44 for everyone.

That would really boost our economy, wouldn't it.

Wait a minute.  I wouldn't give any to wealthy people who make over $250,000, so it would be about $25.64 for everyone.

That's my plan.

(end sarcasm)

Follow-up question:

What will you do with the $25.64 I'm going to give you?

Heeellloooooo Dalesandro's!

Mr. Burns

I'm goin tonight, with or without $10 million!

[Kenosha]

It depends on what day you ask me...

But today, I'd set up TLC Grants for homeowners to rehabilitate their homes and yards in a targeted, contiguous area.

That area might be say... Cincinnati to LL Tisdale; North IDL to Apache.

There are tons of super houses through there, and includes a diverse area: Brady Heights and its immediate neighborhood; lower Reservoir Hill, which looks amazingly similar to Florence Park in terms of housing style; and Reservoir Hill itself.

I think you could revive a neighborhood in a relatively short period of time through a program like this.  I also think it would incentivize private investment in the area.

[TheTed]

I'd buy the massive parking lots on both sides of the Blue Dome district and turn them into parks (the one between 1st and 2nd east of Elgin along with the one between 2nd and 3rd west of Detroit).

Have a nice weekly summer concert series. Get some bands with broad appeal that'd draw a few thousand folks one night a week all summer.

[Porky]

1. Cherokee Casino

2. Osage (Million Dollar Elm) Casino

3. Creek Casino

They funnel the money the best! []

[GG]

Tulsa Public Schools

To be divided among all the 8th grade teachers.

They deserve combat pay.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar
Interesting idea.  
The roof of the QT Center with it's pitch is 477,204 sq.ft.  

You can get 26,511 standard BP 24V 175W solar panels on that surface.

I would go for the newer Sharp 224 watt panels

The cost would be $31,680,645 without installation wiring or any electrical conversion equipment.  

You would have to grid-tie-inverters to match the power to AC and insure grid sine wave compatibility, so I'd add an additional $8 to $10 million to the cost.  

These would be about $30 million for everything...http://www.mrsolar.com/pdf/sharp/Sharp224.pdf

I would estimate installation and hardware at around $15.9 million.

May have to reinforce the roof of the building because the weight exceeds a million pounds in panels, wiring, and hardware (901,374 lbs for just the panels at 34 lbs each).

The ones I like are about 44 pounds a piece, but are rated at 13.74% efficiency...

It certainly wouldn't be able to supply all of the power that the QT center needs, but it may be able to provide a percentage on very sunny days, and could certainly provide most of the power during non-event times on sunny days.

Comes out to about $55 to $60 mill.

I think we could do it for less, but maybe they way government bids things you are closer.

We should try this...

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

A million each to:


Solar panels for the IPE (Quik-Trip) center. If there was ever a perfectly designed building to install solar panels. it is this one. It could generate enough power to run most of the needs of the entire EXPO Square.

Interesting idea.  
The roof of the QT Center with it's pitch is 477,204 sq.ft.  

You can get 26,511 standard BP 24V 175W solar panels on that surface.

The cost would be $31,680,645 without installation wiring or any electrical conversion equipment.  

.....

Comes out to about $55 to $60 mill.

Nearly $14/watt isn't good use of even free money.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar
Interesting idea.  
The roof of the QT Center with it's pitch is 477,204 sq.ft.  

You can get 26,511 standard BP 24V 175W solar panels on that surface.

I would go for the newer Sharp 224 watt panels

The cost would be $31,680,645 without installation wiring or any electrical conversion equipment.  

You would have to grid-tie-inverters to match the power to AC and insure grid sine wave compatibility, so I'd add an additional $8 to $10 million to the cost.  

These would be about $30 million for everything...http://www.mrsolar.com/pdf/sharp/Sharp224.pdf

I would estimate installation and hardware at around $15.9 million.

May have to reinforce the roof of the building because the weight exceeds a million pounds in panels, wiring, and hardware (901,374 lbs for just the panels at 34 lbs each).

The ones I like are about 44 pounds a piece, but are rated at 13.74% efficiency...

It certainly wouldn't be able to supply all of the power that the QT center needs, but it may be able to provide a percentage on very sunny days, and could certainly provide most of the power during non-event times on sunny days.

Comes out to about $55 to $60 mill.

I think we could do it for less, but maybe they way government bids things you are closer.

We should try this...

Never seen them on a bid, so I don't know much about Sharp.  They would boost power output slightly but we still have the problem of being in Oklahoma.

Photovoltaic cells stop working at about 180F to 200F, and drop charge as the temperature increases.  So on a hot summer day you will have a roof temperature of around 160F to 170F, meaning that you may gain less than 1% efficiency.  They are usually tested and rated at 70F, so only if we had long 70 degree summer days you could get close to a 10% to 15% efficiency rating.

The only incentive for solar at this technology level is the tax incentives.  If you are a homeowner you can get around $2,000 a year.  I'm not sure what businesses get, as that we've never had one follow through after they understand the technology.

Many new home owners and businesses purchase the standard kits from Home Depot so that they can get the tax credit and in some cases the marketing advantages.  Unless you have a 24 volt home, with few appliances, and store the energy (illegal in Oklahoma) solar technology has no advantage outside of marketing and tax credits.  

If it's strictly an environmental standpoint that you are going for with the QT center, then putting a Geothermal exchange system under the parking lot with 60 to 70 wells and cutting new skylights in the roof of the EXPO would be less expensive, provide more light energy and all of the cooling and heat exchange necessary for the center.  It would also have a significantly lower maintenance cost and eventually pay for itself.

Until we perfect the silicon ribbon system or find a different way of converting solar energy at a higher efficiency rate, solar is simply a scientific goal.  

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Not for Profit Contemporary Art Center.  Then I would appoint myself Chairman of the Board and Director.

I've got a bunch of money tied up in not-for-profits.

Turns out, they offer really crappy return on investment.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar
Interesting idea.  
The roof of the QT Center with it's pitch is 477,204 sq.ft.  

You can get 26,511 standard BP 24V 175W solar panels on that surface.

I would go for the newer Sharp 224 watt panels

The cost would be $31,680,645 without installation wiring or any electrical conversion equipment.  

You would have to grid-tie-inverters to match the power to AC and insure grid sine wave compatibility, so I'd add an additional $8 to $10 million to the cost.  

These would be about $30 million for everything...http://www.mrsolar.com/pdf/sharp/Sharp224.pdf

I would estimate installation and hardware at around $15.9 million.

May have to reinforce the roof of the building because the weight exceeds a million pounds in panels, wiring, and hardware (901,374 lbs for just the panels at 34 lbs each).

The ones I like are about 44 pounds a piece, but are rated at 13.74% efficiency...

It certainly wouldn't be able to supply all of the power that the QT center needs, but it may be able to provide a percentage on very sunny days, and could certainly provide most of the power during non-event times on sunny days.

Comes out to about $55 to $60 mill.

I think we could do it for less, but maybe they way government bids things you are closer.

We should try this...

Never seen them on a bid, so I don't know much about Sharp.  They would boost power output slightly but we still have the problem of being in Oklahoma.

Photovoltaic cells stop working at about 180F to 200F, and drop charge as the temperature increases.  So on a hot summer day you will have a roof temperature of around 160F to 170F, meaning that you may gain less than 1% efficiency.  They are usually tested and rated at 70F, so only if we had long 70 degree summer days you could get close to a 10% to 15% efficiency rating.

The only incentive for solar at this technology level is the tax incentives.  If you are a homeowner you can get around $2,000 a year.  I'm not sure what businesses get, as that we've never had one follow through after they understand the technology.

Many new home owners and businesses purchase the standard kits from Home Depot so that they can get the tax credit and in some cases the marketing advantages.  Unless you have a 24 volt home, with few appliances, and store the energy (illegal in Oklahoma) solar technology has no advantage outside of marketing and tax credits.  

If it's strictly an environmental standpoint that you are going for with the QT center, then putting a Geothermal exchange system under the parking lot with 60 to 70 wells and cutting new skylights in the roof of the EXPO would be less expensive, provide more light energy and all of the cooling and heat exchange necessary for the center.  It would also have a significantly lower maintenance cost and eventually pay for itself.

Until we perfect the silicon ribbon system or find a different way of converting solar energy at a higher efficiency rate, solar is simply a scientific goal.  

While I agree with your analysis, it would seem proper to confine your last statement to 'photovoltaic' energy, not 'solar' in general.