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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2017, 03:23:03 pm »

Thanks Rush, that's very balanced.

Spying on reporters was wrong and should have been investigated. Better laws need to be crafted to protect reporters and whistleblowers.

The IRS “scandal” was a load of crap. The IRS targeted groups that by their very name sounded like they were participating in banned political activity. Both liberal and conservative  groups were targeted, there were just more the conservative groups.

Fast and Furious didn’t arm Mexican gangs. It was an undercover effort to track the guns the gangs bought to attempt to uncover the people selling the guns and buying the guns so they could be prosecuted in order to stop gun running.

Benghazi was an attack under the cover of a real protest. The whole scandal over what was said publicly was asinine as facts were shifting and much of the information classified. Especially compared to this current president who has moved lying to stunning levels that truly threaten our democracy. But then he wasn’t democratically elected, was he?


Please take your anti-Trump/Sore Loserman stuff to the President Trump--The Implications Thread. This is a thread to discuss how thankful many of us are (and how hilarious by the way) that Hillary is not president. Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2017, 03:26:37 pm »

This is certainly not TulsaNow at its best. When ol' Tumpy Numpkins is called to task for his corruption and collusion, I expect Bread and Guido to simply...spontaneously combust. Then we can discuss politics in a reasonable manner again.

Tulsa Now is at its best when the same, or only, 4-5 posters has their circle jerk/echo chamber complaining about how rotten Oklahoma is, how they know more about making Tulsa better than those that are actually doing something, whining about how things are just darned unfair to them because Oklahoma is a red state, and generally being bitter and disgruntled about how their lives turned out.
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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2017, 03:47:40 pm »

Thanks Rush, that's very balanced.

Spying on reporters was wrong and should have been investigated. Better laws need to be crafted to protect reporters and whistleblowers.

The IRS “scandal” was a load of crap. The IRS targeted groups that by their very name sounded like they were participating in banned political activity. Both liberal and conservative  groups were targeted, there were just more the conservative groups.

Fast and Furious didn’t arm Mexican gangs. It was an undercover effort to track the guns the gangs bought to attempt to uncover the people selling the guns and buying the guns so they could be prosecuted in order to stop gun running.

Benghazi was an attack under the cover of a real protest. The whole scandal over what was said publicly was asinine as facts were shifting and much of the information classified. Especially compared to this current president who has moved lying to stunning levels that truly threaten our democracy. But then he wasn’t democratically elected, was he?


There was no more or less "evidence" for any of the above than there is with the any of the Trump stuff. And because you say so doesn't make it true.

Not saying we should have had a special investigator or anything on any of those. What I am saying though is that if none of those (that were conveniently overlooked by Comey) rose to that level, Trump sure as hell ain't to that level either. He may suck as a president, but to date, I'm pretty sure that ain't against the law.

And to date, not one iota of evidence has been brought about that the election was compromised (ie your claim that he wasn't democratically elected). No state/county agency has made a complaint that any election system was rigged, hacked, or otherwise tampered with. So again, dial it back a notch and come back to reality. If you really are of the belief that the revelation of some emails in the waning months of the election cost Hillary the election, then she wasn't very electable in the first place.

And because the president is not elected directly (as if it was different this time) does not mean he was not elected democratically, because he sure as smile was.
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« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2017, 05:53:36 pm »

There was no more or less "evidence" for any of the above than there is with the any of the Trump stuff. And because you say so doesn't make it true.

Not saying we should have had a special investigator or anything on any of those. What I am saying though is that if none of those (that were conveniently overlooked by Comey) rose to that level, Trump sure as hell ain't to that level either. He may suck as a president, but to date, I'm pretty sure that ain't against the law.

And to date, not one iota of evidence has been brought about that the election was compromised (ie your claim that he wasn't democratically elected). No state/county agency has made a complaint that any election system was rigged, hacked, or otherwise tampered with. So again, dial it back a notch and come back to reality. If you really are of the belief that the revelation of some emails in the waning months of the election cost Hillary the election, then she wasn't very electable in the first place.

And because the president is not elected directly (as if it was different this time) does not mean he was not elected democratically, because he sure as smile was.

He wasn't democratically elected because he got 3 million less votes than the loser, that is in accordance with our system, but it's not democratic.
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« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2017, 06:13:54 pm »

Tulsa Now is at its best when the same, or only, 4-5 posters has their circle jerk/echo chamber complaining about how rotten Oklahoma is, how they know more about making Tulsa better than those that are actually doing something, whining about how things are just darned unfair to them because Oklahoma is a red state, and generally being bitter and disgruntled about how their lives turned out.


Says the Trump apologist extraordinaire !   Rationalizing, excusing, ignoring, deflecting, diverting, every step of the way.  Ya gotta be loving his disclosure of highly classified information to Putin!  Just the latest treason.

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« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2017, 06:38:36 pm »


Says the Trump apologist extraordinaire !   Rationalizing, excusing, ignoring, deflecting, diverting, every step of the way.  Ya gotta be loving his disclosure of highly classified information to Putin!  Just the latest treason.



Nah, he'll just do like I've seen him (and many others) do on FB...scream 'Fake news' without any means to back up the claim of fake news.  All too common these days.
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« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2017, 07:02:23 pm »

So Guido, are you excited seeing those pictures of our new first lady when she was a model? Or do you save everything for your guy fascination? 
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« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2017, 07:10:19 pm »

I don't seem to recall any calls for special prosecuters and such when the Obama admin was...

* Spying on adversarial reporters
* using the IRS to persecute political opponents
* arming violent criminals along the border
* orchestrating a cover-up to blame a YouTube video

Ya, you all are right, it's a tribe mentality, but it ain't unique. They learned from the best.


Really?    Where exactly were you during Obama and Clinton years...??

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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2017, 07:11:57 pm »

So Guido, are you excited seeing those pictures of our new first lady when she was a model  porn star ? Or do you save everything for your guy fascination? 


Fixed it for you... message still applicable.

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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2017, 07:25:32 pm »

Thanks h,  tomorrow is another twitter. 
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« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2017, 08:10:19 pm »

He wasn't democratically elected because he got 3 million less votes than the loser, that is in accordance with our system, but it's not democratic.

You keep conflating democratically with directly. I think you know this though, because saying he wasn't democratically elected is more powerful, no matter how false it is.
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« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2017, 08:12:33 pm »


Really?    Where exactly were you during Obama and Clinton years...??



Yes, that was my point. It's a chicken or egg came first thing.

It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.

Playing politics with the facts isn't a new thing. You know that. You're deflecting is absolutely the same thing I just did.
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« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2017, 11:13:02 pm »

So Guido, are you excited seeing those pictures of our new first lady when she was a model? Or do you save everything for your guy fascination? 

She beats the hell out of this...



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« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2017, 11:23:01 pm »


Says the Trump apologist extraordinaire !   Rationalizing, excusing, ignoring, deflecting, diverting, every step of the way.  Ya gotta be loving his disclosure of highly classified information to Putin!  Just the latest treason.



Trump apologist? I am not even that much of a fan. I am too busy enjoying the fact that HILLARY is not the president. That is what I am grateful for. Getting some control over the border, getting rid of criminal illegals, stopping international funding for abortion, ending PP funding for its infanticide, corporate tax cuts, increasing manufacturing jobs,  increasing investment in U.S. business, etc. You know, things that you hate. That is the topping on the sh$t sundae folks like you have been eating since election.

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