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« on: August 19, 2016, 10:12:05 pm »


Family: Son killed by neighbor who called him 'dirty Arab'
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/16/us/tulsa-arab-american-shooting-trnd/index.html


Anti-Muslim hate crime targets a ... Lebanese Christian? That sad murder case in Tulsa
http://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2016/8/18/an-anti-muslim-hate-crime-targets-a-lebanese-christian-that-sad-murder-case-in-tulsa


Racist Oklahoma Neighbor Hit Woman With Car And Later Murdered Her Son in Alleged Hate Crime
http://www.essence.com/2016/08/18/oklahoma-hate-crime-khalid-jabara


Suspect's Hit-And-Run On Arab Neighbor Was Harbinger Of Alleged Murder To Come
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/stanley-vernon-majors-hit-and-run-haifa-jabara


In Arab Christian's murder, some see deadly American cultural tensions
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/in-arab-christians-murder-some-see-deadly-american-cultural-tensions-53040/


Crowdfunding campaign raises money to seek justice for slain Lebanese-American
http://stepfeed.com/more-categories/big-news/crowdfunding-campaign-raises-money-slain-lebanese-american/


Bigoted Man Calls Neighbor ‘Dirty Arab’, Shoots Him to Death
http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2016/08/194476/bigoted-man-calls-neighbor-dirty-arab-shoots-him-to-death/


Years of race insults preceded slaying of Lebanese neighbor
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/years-of-race-insults-preceded-slaying-of-lebanese-neighbor/2016/08/19/98809700-6647-11e6-b4d8-33e931b5a26d_story.html


Hundreds Attend Christian Funeral Of Slain Arab-American Man
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/khalid-jabara-funeral_us_57b73c35e4b00d9c3a175d8c


Hillary Clinton Shares Letter About Murder Victim
http://www.attn.com/stories/10833/hillary-clinton-shares-letter-about-murder-victim-khalid-jabara


Police chief defends officers' decision to leave neighbor's 'suspicious activity' call minutes before homicide
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/police-chief-defends-officers-decision-to-leave-neighbor-s-suspicious/article_a5c10bcd-207e-545f-896e-bae5bc443255.html


Christian funeral planned for Arab-American slain in alleged hate crime
https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/christian-funeral-planned-arab-american-slain-alleged-hate-crime


Court records document anger of homicide suspect toward Lebanese family
https://www.readfrontier.com/investigation/court-records-document-anger-of-homicide-suspect-toward-lebanese-family/


Oklahoma Christian Man Khalid Jabara Killed By Neighbor Who Called Him ‘Dirty Mooslem’
http://www.inquisitr.com/3431320/oklahoma-christian-man-khalid-jabara-killed-by-neighbor-who-called-him-dirty-mooslem-video/



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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2016, 11:04:06 pm »

So sad, I don't understand what TPD did here, or didn't do here.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2016, 07:57:20 am »

A married homo-sexual man that's racist is strange to me....
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2016, 07:57:58 am »

So sad, I don't understand what TPD did here, or didn't do here.

They did all they could....
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2016, 08:53:45 am »

They did all they could....

You aren't being serious, right?   Just want to confirm the troll level on this particular post...

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2016, 09:05:34 am »

You aren't being serious, right?   Just want to confirm the troll level on this particular post...



Umm....The cops put the dude in jail...How are they responsible for the low bail....Get a clue and do some research on the matter instead of jumping on the cop hater train....The court system let that family down...Particularly the Judge...
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2016, 09:12:04 am »

How did the police not follow protocol? Deranged people still have rights. Police seemed powerless to stop this tragedy which reminds us that safety is an illusion.  The entire justice and social systems are overloaded, underfunded and politically sick.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2016, 10:17:06 am »

Umm....The cops put the dude in jail...How are they responsible for the low bail....Get a clue and do some research on the matter instead of jumping on the cop hater train....The court system let that family down...Particularly the Judge...

I understand the matter very well.  I read up on this one before it even made it to this forum. Actually, I agree with you on the Judge being the most at fault here, and my original reading of your "they" was (to me) inclusive of the overall system in general.  The overall system, but maybe not specifically the police, failed this family miserably.  But, specific to the police, they were at his house minutes before the shooting.  Given the history of this man and the immediate complaint from the neighbors, I do think more than a "well, he wouldn't answer the door, so have a good day..." was warranted here.

So, yeah, not just the police, but they were the ones that dropped the ball at the end, so they bear a good portion of the responsibility.

Oh, and seriously, thanks for a reply that actually had some content in it.


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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2016, 10:45:46 am »

What was warranted? No indication of a crime in progress. No warrant. Nothing but an a**hole, racist neighbor with previous bad behavior. But nothing they could nail him on when they arrived was there? So, if they had acted pre-emptively there would have been an uproar over police overstepping. Seriously, I wish someone had planted some drugs on his porch so they could have had some cause.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2016, 11:12:19 am »

What was warranted? No indication of a crime in progress. No warrant. Nothing but an a**hole, racist neighbor with previous bad behavior. But nothing they could nail him on when they arrived was there? So, if they had acted pre-emptively there would have been an uproar over police overstepping. Seriously, I wish someone had planted some drugs on his porch so they could have had some cause.

Maybe somebody who could offer real information on this could comment, but with his previous behavior, and out on bail with a restraining order, and the neighbor says "Somebody was tapping on our windows.  I think it was this guy, and I saw his door close when we went out..." (or something similar), AND the guy is on the phone at the same time with 911 asking why the cops are there, I would think there would be justification for making him answer the door and at least answer a few questions.  Don't know if that would have changed the outcome, but leaving without talking to him is, to me, not doing due diligence given the circumstances.

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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2016, 12:24:19 pm »

"...making him open the door...."

How would you accomplish that? Crash the door? Remember, so far its just an asshat behaving badly. I guess they could have surrounded the house and communicated with bull horns. Other than taking the younger man into protective custody I'm not sure what else could have been done by the officers.
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2016, 01:32:59 pm »

Maybe somebody who could offer real information on this could comment, but with his previous behavior, and out on bail with a restraining order, and the neighbor says "Somebody was tapping on our windows.  I think it was this guy, and I saw his door close when we went out..." (or something similar), AND the guy is on the phone at the same time with 911 asking why the cops are there, I would think there would be justification for making him answer the door and at least answer a few questions.  Don't know if that would have changed the outcome, but leaving without talking to him is, to me, not doing due diligence given the circumstances.




Real information...Lol...This piece of smile was convicted of the same garbage in California....And moved here and continued it....He should have been in jail the DA asked for a 300,000 dollar bond but it was reduced to 30,000...So he was out on bond....The judge dropped the ball big time on this trash....
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2016, 01:35:49 pm »

Family: Son killed by neighbor who called him 'dirty Arab'
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/16/us/tulsa-arab-american-shooting-trnd/index.html


Anti-Muslim hate crime targets a ... Lebanese Christian? That sad murder case in Tulsa
http://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2016/8/18/an-anti-muslim-hate-crime-targets-a-lebanese-christian-that-sad-murder-case-in-tulsa


Racist Oklahoma Neighbor Hit Woman With Car And Later Murdered Her Son in Alleged Hate Crime
http://www.essence.com/2016/08/18/oklahoma-hate-crime-khalid-jabara


Suspect's Hit-And-Run On Arab Neighbor Was Harbinger Of Alleged Murder To Come
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/stanley-vernon-majors-hit-and-run-haifa-jabara


In Arab Christian's murder, some see deadly American cultural tensions
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/in-arab-christians-murder-some-see-deadly-american-cultural-tensions-53040/


Crowdfunding campaign raises money to seek justice for slain Lebanese-American
http://stepfeed.com/more-categories/big-news/crowdfunding-campaign-raises-money-slain-lebanese-american/


Bigoted Man Calls Neighbor ‘Dirty Arab’, Shoots Him to Death
http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2016/08/194476/bigoted-man-calls-neighbor-dirty-arab-shoots-him-to-death/


Years of race insults preceded slaying of Lebanese neighbor
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/years-of-race-insults-preceded-slaying-of-lebanese-neighbor/2016/08/19/98809700-6647-11e6-b4d8-33e931b5a26d_story.html


Hundreds Attend Christian Funeral Of Slain Arab-American Man
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/khalid-jabara-funeral_us_57b73c35e4b00d9c3a175d8c


Hillary Clinton Shares Letter About Murder Victim
http://www.attn.com/stories/10833/hillary-clinton-shares-letter-about-murder-victim-khalid-jabara


Police chief defends officers' decision to leave neighbor's 'suspicious activity' call minutes before homicide
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/police-chief-defends-officers-decision-to-leave-neighbor-s-suspicious/article_a5c10bcd-207e-545f-896e-bae5bc443255.html


Christian funeral planned for Arab-American slain in alleged hate crime
https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/christian-funeral-planned-arab-american-slain-alleged-hate-crime


Court records document anger of homicide suspect toward Lebanese family
https://www.readfrontier.com/investigation/court-records-document-anger-of-homicide-suspect-toward-lebanese-family/


Oklahoma Christian Man Khalid Jabara Killed By Neighbor Who Called Him ‘Dirty Mooslem’
http://www.inquisitr.com/3431320/oklahoma-christian-man-khalid-jabara-killed-by-neighbor-who-called-him-dirty-mooslem-video/






Thanks for nothing Vashta....It's unfortunate a piece of smile moved here from California 4 years ago to continue his racist hate....But you don't have the balls to comment on that....Because of your own spam fest against the cops....
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2016, 04:00:56 pm »

"...making him open the door...."

How would you accomplish that? Crash the door? Remember, so far its just an asshat behaving badly. I guess they could have surrounded the house and communicated with bull horns. Other than taking the younger man into protective custody I'm not sure what else could have been done by the officers.

I don't know, but what I would like somebody on here who has some legal knowledge to comment is how/if the restraining order factors into this.   And how doe that order, combined with his previous actions, escalate this incident to the point that that the police could have demanded that he submit to questioning.   It's just frustrating.  We have a guy that is obviously unstable, who is already out on bail for an assault on the family, and under a restraining order, that has been identified again by the family as (probably) the person who was tapping on their window, and when the police show up to investigate refuses to answer the door (but calls 911 while the police are at the door to complain?). 

I guess my question is when does the guy, based on his behavior, etc, get elevated from asshat, to legitimately dangerous?   To me, he was well past that point, but (and I can't believe I'm saying this...) I agree with breadburner that their hands may be tied, and the bulk of the blame is on the judge.   

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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2016, 04:46:33 pm »

CF or Cynical or some lawyer, can you respond? I agree, its a feeling of helplessness when you know the guy is imbalanced, has made threats, has a restraining order and still, nothing seems to stop him.
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