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« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2016, 08:26:38 pm »

Here's an interesting story overnight. It seems Kyle Linscomb thought it was a good idea to strip down to his skivvies, grab his car keys and a gun, then drive along 116th Street North at a reported 60mph over the limit. When Owasso PD tried to stop him, Linscomb started shooting at the cops. The chase continued east through Claremore, where Claremore PD, Rogers County Sheriff's department, and OHP joined the party. Linscomb abandoned his vehicle and took off on foot. He was apprehended a short time later.

People exaggerate in the absence of fact checkers, or competent reporters.



Tulsa Police Officer Steven Jones shot the driver in the upper back after a high-speed chase through residential areas.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/police-identify-suspects-in-tulsa-pursuit-and-officer-involved-shooting/article_96a0c82f-3e83-5d3a-b336-f16859d6ec3e.html
 
"Tulsa Police Officers reported seeing muzzle flash during the pursuit while suspects were hanging out the vehicle window pointing firearms," Ledezma states.
Ledezma also wrote that though McCombs was apprehended with a pistol, it was actually a BB gun.




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« Reply #106 on: December 31, 2016, 08:32:07 pm »

Commission aims at reimagining the Tulsa Police Department
When Tulsa voters approved a plan to pay for scores of additional police officers, they created more than just numbers.

They also sparked an opportunity to change the philosophy of the police department, which currently is so busy dealing with pressing calls with too few officers that it doesn’t have a chance to think differently.

Bullchips.

If TPD thinks the culture behind "shoot first, think later, dont worry about consequences because there wont be any" is just a matter of under-staffing, they are lying to themselves.  You have to address the culture before you start culling more into it, otherwise the expression "lipstick on a pig" seems oddly appropriate.

Oh and those staffing numbers; When Councilor Ewing complained that police were being poorly utilized, they did everything short of planting a hooker in his room.
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« Reply #107 on: January 07, 2017, 07:20:05 pm »

I love the Shadows!!  I try to lurk in them all the time, but mostly can't resist getting out of them to post here....

Winning the Public Relations War

A California congressman removed a Missouri student’s painting from the walls of the U.S. Capitol complex Friday, days after presidents of police unions in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose and Oakland, Calif. demanded its removal due to its perceived negative portrayal of police.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/01/06/cops-didnt-like-a-student-painting-hanging-in-the-u-s-capitol-so-a-congressman-took-it-down/
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_960w/2010-2019/Wires/Images/2017-01-05/Bloomberg/05700192.jpg&w=480

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« Reply #108 on: January 07, 2017, 11:38:32 pm »

A California congressman removed a Missouri student’s painting from the walls of the U.S. Capitol complex Friday, days after presidents of police unions in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose and Oakland, Calif. demanded its removal due to its perceived negative portrayal of police.


It portrayed police as pigs shooting the public.   



That congressman is the only good thing to come out of California in quite a while.    “I’m in the Marine Corps,” he told FoxNews.com. “If you want it done, just call us.”

Thank God for the Marine Corps.   
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« Reply #109 on: January 08, 2017, 09:54:49 am »

But none of the police unions in Missouri? Curious. Its an offensive mural for a public building.
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« Reply #110 on: January 08, 2017, 01:59:55 pm »

But none of the police unions in Missouri? Curious. Its an offensive mural for a public building.


Free speech isnt always popular speech.
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« Reply #111 on: January 09, 2017, 07:50:09 pm »


That congressman is the only good thing to come out of California in quite a while.    “I’m in the Marine Corps,” he told FoxNews.com. “If you want it done, just call us.”


...or an undisciplined rogue trampling the freedoms of the very Americans he swore to defend, at the behest of thin-skinned police unions who cry like babies because they cant take criticism.
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« Reply #112 on: January 10, 2017, 07:35:23 pm »





Painting rehung on Capitol Hill by Congressional Black Caucus — then taken down again

Rep. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.) warned that rehanging the painting “could result in the [death] of another police officer.”


http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01/10/cops-as-pigs-painting-rehung-on-capitol-hill-by-congressional-black-caucus-then-taken-down-again/





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« Reply #113 on: January 18, 2017, 12:25:02 pm »


This came across Apple News this morning and I thought it was worth adding to the thread here.  Take it for what it is worth. (Tulsa gets a shout-out in the article)

"BuzzFeed News reviewed 62 incidents of video footage contradicting an officer’s statement in a police report or testimony. From traffic stops to fatal force, these cases reveal how cops are incentivized to lie — and why they get away with it."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/blue-lies-matter?utm_term=.wo1q1K77Y#.orR5nExxL
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« Reply #114 on: February 06, 2017, 12:15:46 am »

Tulsa World:  Paranoid Milwaukee County Sheriff "Preempts Possible Assault" from man who shook his head at him.


This week, a 24-year-old Milwaukee man filed a lawsuit against Clarke alleging he had sheriff's deputies detain and question him after a flight from Dallas last month because, while boarding, the man shook his head at Clarke, who was wearing Dallas Cowboys gear on a day the team played the Packers. Clarke said afterward that "he reserves the reasonable right to pre-empt a possible assault" and mocked his accuser on the sheriff's office's Facebook page, calling him a "snowflake" and writing, "if Sheriff Clarke were to really mess with you, you wouldn't be around to whine about it."

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/ap/milwaukee-sheriff-s-star-rises-but-he-remains-polarizing/article_bb9f606b-67b6-5208-a8b6-7bad41bf3940.html

http://fox6now.com/2017/02/02/breaking-attorney-for-man-detained-at-airport-after-shaking-head-at-sheriff-clarke-files-suit/
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/investigations/daniel-bice/2017/01/25/bice-auditors-investigate-complaint-against-sheriff-clarke/97006818/


The lawsuit says on January 15th, Dan Black was at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport in Texas, where he boarded a flight headed to Milwaukee. While boarding, Black saw a man that looked like Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke, wearing Dallas Cowboys gear. Black asked the man if he was Sheriff Clarke, and Clarke responded that he was. Black then moved towards the rear of the plane and shook his head. Sheriff Clarke then asked Black if he had a problem. Black shook his head no, and took a seat in the rear of the plane. The suit says there was no interaction between Black and Clarke during the flight.


When they landed in Milwaukee, he was met by a group of six uniformed deputies and two dogs, all of whom were accompanied by the sheriff.
The lawsuit says two of the deputy sheriffs arrested Black, and he was escorted to an unoccupied waiting area, where he was "interrogated, and questioned about his political opinions for about 15 minutes" before he was escorted out of the airport.

Sheriff Clarke has said Milwaukee County has no authority to investigate him or enforce any sanction against him.

Clarke has criticized Black on the county website and Facebook page for the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office.

"Next time he or anyone else pulls this stunt on a plane they may get knocked out," said one Facebook post.

"The sheriff said he does not have to wait for some goof to assault him. He reserves the reasonable right to pre-empt a possible assault."

That was followed by a Facebook meme with a picture of Black that read:  "Cheer up, Snowflake. If Sheriff Clarke were to really harass you, you wouldn't be around to whine about it."

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« Reply #115 on: February 11, 2017, 07:09:28 pm »

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/9/14562518/trump-crime-police-orders

... developing a strategy, in coordination with local, state, and federal agencies, to prosecute individuals who commit violent crimes against police, as well as reviewing whether existing laws go far enough in protecting police from violent crimes.

As it stands now, "resisting," interfering" and "assaulting" an officer are what police charge you with when they leave marks on your face; Anyone who doubts that need only view the booking mugshots of persons so charged.

The so-called "President" further institutionalizes thuggery with another battery of knee-jerk executive orders.

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VINCENT WARREN: Yeah, those three executive orders are pretty much right out of the National Fraternal Order of Police playbook. The sum total of those three orders means massive new resources going to law enforcement on the federal, state and local level. The order that has to deal with police officers, that you were mentioning, really is the beginnings of what we’re calling a blue lives matter regime. We’ve been seeing this in states where there are increased penalties that people—criminal penalties for assaulting, sometimes even insulting, police officers, the idea that—built on the idea that if you’re black or if you’re gay or if you’re a woman and someone assaults you, that it is worse and there should be penalty enhancement for that. We’re seeing that for police officers, which doesn’t make sense.

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/2/10/trump_launches_blue_lives_matter_regime
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« Reply #116 on: February 11, 2017, 07:11:36 pm »

This came across Apple News this morning and I thought it was worth adding to the thread here.  Take it for what it is worth. (Tulsa gets a shout-out in the article)

"BuzzFeed News reviewed 62 incidents of video footage contradicting an officer’s statement in a police report or testimony. From traffic stops to fatal force, these cases reveal how cops are incentivized to lie — and why they get away with it."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/blue-lies-matter?utm_term=.wo1q1K77Y#.orR5nExxL

For much of modern American history, police officers were considered, by most judges and jurors, to be the most reliable narrators in a courtroom — professional and neutral arbiters of facts. The increasing prevalence of camera footage eroded that bedrock of the justice system, wiping out powers long held by law enforcement. Within the last half decade, a new reality has set in for cops, lawyers, and judges: Videos have replaced police reports and testimony as the most credible version of events, proving time and again, with increasing frequency, that police officers lie.

Why do they do it? The main reason they do it, historically and now,   is they can get away with it .



Oh, there's no bodycam video because:

I forgot to charge my camera
I forgot to turn on my camera
I forgot how to turn on my camera
I forgot to take it to work
It fell off
The bad guy knocked it off
the bad guy pointed a laser at it
The K9 Officer ate it
Something got on the lens
My computer isnt compatible
This thing records video?

Fortunately the switch to bodycams will make it easier to "malfunction" much of that video.
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« Reply #117 on: February 14, 2017, 10:48:40 pm »

Remember when it was just the Sheriff's office embarrassing us on "reality TV"?
I mean, you kinda expect that from deputies, but...


When you're too embarrassed to have your police department on TV.

Cop Reality TV Show Leaves Tulsa Over Racial Profiling?
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/cop-reality-tv-show-leaves-tulsa-over-racial-profiling-video

Video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPTSg6MUV-U


Not that the department didnt try to milk it for sympathy:

"This particular video reveals how quick a common encounter with individuals can turn into a life and death fight," the post reads at lawofficer.com. "In this video, the suspect had his hand completely around a gun and because of training, conditioning and a backing officer  the presence of a film crew   (fixed it for you), the suspect and/or the officer is alive today."


http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/video-a-e-s-live-pd-shows-tulsa-officers-intense/article_622b9fa1-9216-5beb-8139-45053d44689b.html


OK, maybe we cant have a film crew on every corner to remind the cops to behave.  How about if every citizen had a camera?
...and the ability to instantly send to some group like, oh, The ACLU, video of those that dont know how to behave?

http://acluok.org/mobile-justice-ok-2/
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« Reply #118 on: February 15, 2017, 02:29:51 pm »

Wisconsin is turning into Oklahoma. Kansas.  And Mississippi.

It used to be such a nice place...  I really did like the old Wisconsin!

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« Reply #119 on: February 18, 2017, 09:16:22 am »

I don't know why you posted that, but I can say it was ripe fruit waiting for the reapers. Very rural, religious, agricultural. Two large cities, Milwaukee and Madison. Though there are 70 colleges,  only one upper level college at Madison iirc, and lots of backwoods guys who love their guns and dogs. Young educateds flee the state. The people living there were not from anywhere else so low racial diversity except for Native Americans and whoever the Lutherans sponsored. Probably Hmong. IOW, it was already Oklahoma but had flown under the radar. Easily manipulated and exploited. My wife and her family were from there. Gorgeous geography but for quality of life and enlightenment, I prefer Minnesota.

At least that was how I experienced the state.
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