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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2019, 01:30:05 pm »

One of my Tulsa buddies came out the summer we moved to NE, NM.  We went hiking in the Valle Vidal wilderness in the Carson National Forest.  Bob commented about what a great asset this under-utilized wilderness is and lamented how all his childhood recreational areas outside Denver in the mountains are now so over-run that it's hard to enjoy them anymore.  He also mentioned vandalism is an issue in some mountain recreation areas now.  It's a cautionary tale.  The Valle is one place I want the whole world to know about because it is so cool and peaceful but I want to be selfish about it and not tell a soul and keep it as peaceful as it is now.  Fortunately, the 70 miles of gravel from one end to the other works as sort of a disincentive to too many exploring it.

I love NE NM! So beautiful and peaceful. It's the best place to ski because they don't charge a housing payment for a few days of lift passes!

I get that the overcrowding in parks is frustrating, but also that most people who live there and move there like it a lot and have to accept that "you are the traffic". CO has done a great job promoting itself and all the beauty. It is well known like LA and so many people want to live there. It's nowhere near as bad as LA, but definitely beyond bordering states in prices and crowds.

The good thing for those long-time locals is they can learn the best times to go (or avoid) and have explored enough they can always find a hundred more remote empty places to go. Colorado has infinite wilderness. We have had no issues finding serene isolated places on trips to CO, despite seeing certain areas with crowds. Outside the main popular areas, there's seemingly infinite wilderness. Typically best to go to the mountains on weekdays, earlier and ideally during the school year (which was easy to arrange as a tourist w/o kiddos!).

I've heard taking a weekend trip to the mountains from Denver is a big pain now where what used to be a 1 hour drive takes 2+ hours a lot of the times. Which for me would take that from a weekend trip to 3 day minimum to be worth it. Tulsans can fly to DEN in 2-3 hours so not even that huge of a head start to live there if you're stuck in traffic every day (which adds up to weeks throughout the year).
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2019, 02:23:58 pm »

One of my Tulsa buddies came out the summer we moved to NE, NM.  We went hiking in the Valle Vidal wilderness in the Carson National Forest.  Bob commented about what a great asset this under-utilized wilderness is and lamented how all his childhood recreational areas outside Denver in the mountains are now so over-run that it's hard to enjoy them anymore.  He also mentioned vandalism is an issue in some mountain recreation areas now.  It's a cautionary tale.  The Valle is one place I want the whole world to know about because it is so cool and peaceful but I want to be selfish about it and not tell a soul and keep it as peaceful as it is now.  Fortunately, the 70 miles of gravel from one end to the other works as sort of a disincentive to too many exploring it.

Fished Valle Vidal last year.   Awesome area.   And yeah,  70 miles of gravel will keep a lot of the city folk out.  Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2019, 01:50:56 pm »

This just came out yesterday about New Mexico really working to exploit outdoor tourism:

https://apnews.com/61f25162f1b84145be3115de000f4ec8?fbclid=IwAR1cxrolnz_6rEORSBtcGP68Nhw0jGM_9rLqwV8XO0bMSBprXtFLB0xEQsk
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