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« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2012, 12:21:43 pm »

Every street in downtown should be 2-way.  The end.

I have heard presentations by semi-retired, old-school traffic engineers arguing against it, but their 1960's mentality and arguments don't hold up to actual facts.

If you listen to transportation planners (note the difference between a traffic engineer and a transportation planner), they all agree that 2-way streets are superior.  Not only for cars, but for cyclists, public transit...and yes, tourists.

Here's all you need to know:
Example: Cinn & Detroit
If you currently have two 1-way streets, you currently have 4 lanes going north and 4 lanes going south (plus parking!).
If you change them to two 2-way streets, you would then have...wait for it... 4 lanes going north and 4 lanes going south (plus parking).

With a lot less confusion, and a lot more efficiency. 

Anyone who pretends that traffic would back up onto the highway is not thinking clearly.

If you take the Cinn/Detroit exit from 244 westbound, you take the exit ramp and you come to a.... stop light on the exit ramp at Detroit.
Then, you drive one block further to Cincinnati, and you come to...another stop light at Cincinnati.

If those two lights don't back up traffic onto the highway, it won't matter if you put a couple stop lights way down Cincinnati at Cameron or Brady.  Traffic will flow and disperse. 

Few cars travelling south from the highway even make left turns.  Most destinations are to the right or straight ahead. Even baseball traffic disperses to various parking/dining destinations all over Brady and the Blue Dome areas. 

Baseball fans would actually really benefit from additional stop lights and slower traffic along Cinn & Detroit between Archer and 244.  As it is, those streets serve as expressways for people getting on/off 244.  Nothing to slow them down as they race along their enormously wide speedway....er urban street.   Just watch kids and families trying to walk from the Brady Dist to a ballgame during rush hour traffic.  It's frightening.

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« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2012, 01:50:27 pm »

Every street in downtown should be 2-way.  The end.

I am glad those expressway on-ramps are one-way.

Hey Ponder. Long time no hear.
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« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2012, 04:17:16 pm »

Every street in downtown should be 2-way.  The end.

I have heard presentations by semi-retired, old-school traffic engineers arguing against it, but their 1960's mentality and arguments don't hold up to actual facts.

If you listen to transportation planners (note the difference between a traffic engineer and a transportation planner), they all agree that 2-way streets are superior.  Not only for cars, but for cyclists, public transit...and yes, tourists.

Here's all you need to know:
Example: Cinn & Detroit
If you currently have two 1-way streets, you currently have 4 lanes going north and 4 lanes going south (plus parking!).
If you change them to two 2-way streets, you would then have...wait for it... 4 lanes going north and 4 lanes going south (plus parking).

With a lot less confusion, and a lot more efficiency. 

Anyone who pretends that traffic would back up onto the highway is not thinking clearly.

If you take the Cinn/Detroit exit from 244 westbound, you take the exit ramp and you come to a.... stop light on the exit ramp at Detroit.
Then, you drive one block further to Cincinnati, and you come to...another stop light at Cincinnati.

If those two lights don't back up traffic onto the highway, it won't matter if you put a couple stop lights way down Cincinnati at Cameron or Brady.  Traffic will flow and disperse. 

Few cars travelling south from the highway even make left turns.  Most destinations are to the right or straight ahead. Even baseball traffic disperses to various parking/dining destinations all over Brady and the Blue Dome areas. 

Baseball fans would actually really benefit from additional stop lights and slower traffic along Cinn & Detroit between Archer and 244.  As it is, those streets serve as expressways for people getting on/off 244.  Nothing to slow them down as they race along their enormously wide speedway....er urban street.   Just watch kids and families trying to walk from the Brady Dist to a ballgame during rush hour traffic.  It's frightening.



Not seeing the entire picture though.  Try and make that work with the current configuration of the on-ramps for 244/75 at 1st (off ramp) and 2nd (onramp).
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« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2012, 05:36:38 pm »

The streets directly concerned with IDL exit and entrance ramps would need extra caution to prevent wrong direction expressway entries but the rest of them, go for it.  Presumably the worst that will happen is that it doesn't work.  If that's the case, it's only money to try something else.
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