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« Reply #150 on: February 18, 2014, 09:33:00 am »

I think that it is all about questioning the Officers decision and manner in which he is enforcing the law as he sees fit. Most Officers have thick enough skin and know how to handle the situation of this type of public scrutiny.

Having said that. There are going to be the ones who got into law enforcement purely for the bully factor. And when their job skill comes into question. They will react as if you knocked off that chip on their shoulder or crossed the unknown line drawn in the sand. To me those type individuals are a danger to the public at large by being armed and protected by a favorable law.
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« Reply #151 on: February 18, 2014, 11:36:09 am »

I think that it is all about questioning the Officers decision and manner in which he is enforcing the law as he sees fit. Most Officers have thick enough skin and know how to handle the situation of this type of public scrutiny.

Having said that. There are going to be the ones who got into law enforcement purely for the bully factor. And when their job skill comes into question. They will react as if you knocked off that chip on their shoulder or crossed the unknown line drawn in the sand. To me those type individuals are a danger to the public at large by being armed and protected by a favorable law.

The tragedy is that already having the deck stacked in his favor wasn't enough, he had to make up non-existant law, then use that to justify A&B.
Having said that, the majority of cops are likely just going to curb their language around an open mic.  This guy made a choice to complicate things.
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« Reply #152 on: February 18, 2014, 05:17:19 pm »

And another. And this one is in Moore.

http://www.news9.com/story/24735856/family-says-moore-police-beat-father-to-death
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« Reply #153 on: February 19, 2014, 12:37:28 am »



http://kfor.com/2014/02/17/widow-police-took-her-phone-without-permission-after-husband-died-in-custody


It even made news in Russia:
http://rt.com/usa/father-beaten-death-oklahoma-cops-433/
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« Reply #154 on: February 19, 2014, 02:37:44 am »

This story is something special.

http://splashurl.com/kumvk4d
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« Reply #155 on: February 21, 2014, 03:31:43 pm »

Not so much for videotaping but for Jaywalking. Really?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565097/I-didnt-f-ing-wrong-Moment-jogger-knocked-ground-dragged-away-handcuffs-four-cops-refusing-identify-herself.html
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« Reply #156 on: February 22, 2014, 11:17:00 am »


Apparently this is something they call "Vision Zero"
Jaywalking is a gateway crime to terrorism, dont you know.
http://nypost.com/2014/01/19/cops-beat-elderly-man-after-he-jaywalked
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« Reply #157 on: February 22, 2014, 09:21:24 pm »

Anyone else find it sad that Oklahoma law enforcement consistently fight dash or lapel camera releases - even under freedom of information requests... yet they publicised the dash came video showing the cop doing a good job help I a citizen with that roadside fire?

You will enjoy the dashcam videos we choose to release. Move along now citizen.
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« Reply #158 on: February 26, 2014, 12:29:52 pm »

And now the video that was recorded by his Wife. She knew they had killed him. This is absolutely awful for this Woman to have to witness her Husband being killed by five Officers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567867/Video-released-mans-death-Oklahoma-theater.html
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« Reply #159 on: February 26, 2014, 09:51:33 pm »

And now the video that was recorded by his Wife. She knew they had killed him. This is absolutely awful for this Woman to have to witness her Husband being killed by five Officers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567867/Video-released-mans-death-Oklahoma-theater.html

Compressional Asphyxia is often what results when you have five or six plus-sized people on top of you. 
Most of the struggling occurs after the victim has lost consciousness, which is misinterpreted as resisting.
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« Reply #160 on: March 03, 2014, 10:24:27 am »

This was recorded by two people in KC. My question is. How do you feel about what happened? Is the off duty Officer justified in what he does?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2571457/Cop-cleared-shooting-dead-firefighter-hours-wedding-shocking-cellphone-footage-moment-emerges.html
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« Reply #161 on: March 03, 2014, 10:53:59 am »

This was recorded by two people in KC. My question is. How do you feel about what happened? Is the off duty Officer justified in what he does?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2571457/Cop-cleared-shooting-dead-firefighter-hours-wedding-shocking-cellphone-footage-moment-emerges.html

Well, that's just a tragic outcome no matter which side you come down on.  But after the drunk guy punches the cab driver and cop engages, he is in the right in trying to make the arrest.   Even during the struggle, at about the 45 sec mark or so on the clip, the cop asks for a little help (or something about help, I can't quite make it out).  If some of the guy's friends had engaged, instead of standing around and filming, this might have been averted.  But as it escalated in the manner it did, you can't fault the cop for his actions in protecting himself.
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« Reply #162 on: March 03, 2014, 12:26:13 pm »

A Facebook page I can get behind.

https://www.facebook.com/PolicingThePolice
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« Reply #163 on: March 03, 2014, 10:43:25 pm »

If some of the guy's friends had engaged, instead of standing around and filming, this might have been averted.  But as it escalated in the manner it did, you can't fault the cop for his actions in protecting himself.

Yes you can.

He inserted himself into a verbal situation, and promptly escalated it by introducing force and violence.
He quickly rose to his level of incompetence, and found himself physically outmatched,
so he escalated the violence further to the point of deadly force, resulting in an unnecessary and unjustified death.
 
Thanks, Zimmerman.  Good job.

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« Reply #164 on: March 04, 2014, 08:31:44 am »

He inserted himself into a verbal situation, and promptly escalated it by introducing force and violence.
He quickly rose to his level of incompetence, and found himself physically outmatched,
so he escalated the violence further to the point of deadly force, resulting in an unnecessary and unjustified death.

We'll, there seems to be a lot of pent-up vitriol there, so I'll may bow out of this subject after this post, because if a person thinks that cops are generally bad then there is no where to go with the discussion.

But a couple of points, just for discussion.  First, it was not a verbal situation.  The cab driver had already been punched, so blows had already been exchanged.  Once a police officer becomes aware of someone obviously very intoxicated in public and that has already come to blows with anther person they are expected to engage. This scenario of a single officer arresting a drunk person happens all the time and is not generally out of the ordinary.

It is a tragedy, and it did get out of hand, but it is also very easy to second-guess an action in hind-sight.  Was there an original intent to escalate to deadly force by the officer?  In this case, I can't imagine that there was.  
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