Any new midtown/Cherry Street developments?

[shavethewhales]

While we are rightfully suspicious of the developer and Tulsa's inclination towards car-based development, this area is so valuable and dense that it would be crazy if they only put in a few drive-throughs. The ROI is there for a large mixed use development. Could still fit in a drive-through somewhere!

I'm surprised they haven't developed the parking in front of Nola's yet. Just need to figure out where to put a public parking garage I guess.

[SXSW]

While we are rightfully suspicious of the developer and Tulsa's inclination towards car-based development, this area is so valuable and dense that it would be crazy if they only put in a few drive-throughs. The ROI is there for a large mixed use development. Could still fit in a drive-through somewhere!

I'm surprised they haven't developed the parking in front of Nola's yet. Just need to figure out where to put a public parking garage I guess.

15th & Utica will be a dense, urban mixed-use development.  Now when it will actually be built is another story.   

Agree on Lincoln Plaza.  I believe the owner is in California though so a local group would likely have to buy the center to redevelop those lots.  And would likely need a big incentive from the city to defray parking costs and/or build a public garage like what the city is doing at Boulder & Cameron.  It's one of the best development sites in Tulsa outside of 21st & Utica.

[SXSW]

Rendering for the new development at 15th & Rockford.  Hatch on the ground floor and Riserva Tapas on the 2nd and 3rd floors

[swake]

Rendering for the new development at 15th & Rockford.  Hatch on the ground floor and Riserva Tapas on the 2nd and 3rd floors

Looks really good. But is it better than a burned out Subway?

[BKDotCom]

Looks really good. But is it better than a burned out Subway?

Better than a gravel lot?  Yes    (Burned out Subway has been gone for a while)

[SXSW]

Assuming this gets built hopefully the old Lucky's building is next to be razed and redeveloped.  It's such a sad little empty retail strip with just the liquor store operating.  Something like this or the Roosevelt's building would be much better.

[swake]

Assuming this gets built hopefully the old Lucky's building is next to be razed and redeveloped.  It's such a sad little empty retail strip with just the liquor store operating.  Something like this or the Roosevelt's building would be much better.

I wonder if that's WHY it's empty. Waiting for leases to run out. I don't recall a for lease sign there.

[DowntownDan]

I'm seriously curious why anyone would participate in PlanIt Tulsa and the like when neither developers, TMAPC, or City Council give it any weight whatsoever. The Utica Corridor Small Area Plan is very specific that drive thru restaurants do not fit that particular area of town. And yet, TMAPC and City Council unanimously approve Chick-fil-A right in the middle of that corridor. I heard a City Councilor say there was no "legal basis" for denying it, which means that the plans are entirely meaningless in their minds. I think a City Councilor has every right to deny a drive thru restaurant when the citizens of that area said very specifically in a very detailed planning document that it was not wanted. It's not like the city is prohibiting fast food drive thrus, they are literally everywhere in the city. It's this one midtown corridor with some of the only relative density in the city that the people said to avoid this particular type of development. Yet, unanimous, with only a few delays to pretend they're giving the people a chance. I don't understand. I'll never participate in those planning sessions ever again, they aren't worth the paper they are printed on to the people who make decision.

[TheArtist]

I'm seriously curious why anyone would participate in PlanIt Tulsa and the like when neither developers, TMAPC, or City Council give it any weight whatsoever. The Utica Corridor Small Area Plan is very specific that drive thru restaurants do not fit that particular area of town. And yet, TMAPC and City Council unanimously approve Chick-fil-A right in the middle of that corridor. I heard a City Councilor say there was no "legal basis" for denying it, which means that the plans are entirely meaningless in their minds. I think a City Councilor has every right to deny a drive thru restaurant when the citizens of that area said very specifically in a very detailed planning document that it was not wanted. It's not like the city is prohibiting fast food drive thrus, they are literally everywhere in the city. It's this one midtown corridor with some of the only relative density in the city that the people said to avoid this particular type of development. Yet, unanimous, with only a few delays to pretend they're giving the people a chance. I don't understand. I'll never participate in those planning sessions ever again, they aren't worth the paper they are printed on to the people who make decision.

Good point.

[patric]

Good point.

So is the Neighborhood Conditions Index (NCI) intended to replace the Small Area Plans that we are apparently devaluing?

https://tulsaplanning.org/neighborhoods/nci/