TCC asks you for $50

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

+1 on Engineers Artist.

Also MDs (anyone else LOVE the Tulsa World article on OKC hording public hospital money?).

Any word on lawyers? How are we doing in the need department? (Get ready to get fire bombed)

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by citizen72

Aren't they giving away free tuition?

Yes, TCC is free for local students.

Wasn't that way for me when in graduated in '85.

I'm for sure voting no on this one.

[we vs us]

So how much is that a week?  The $50 tax, I mean?  Less than a buck, right?  Yeah, that's a pretty onerous tax right there.  

[guido911]

I am voting against this tax and any other tax for public education.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

I am voting against this tax and any other tax for public education.

Right.  Heard that the first time.  

Since you're just itchin' to tell us, go ahead and  spill it.  Which do you hate, the public part, or the education part? Or just all of it combined?

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

I am voting against this tax and any other tax for public education.

Yes, we can see how much better those other cities do that have a lot of educational opportunities and large colleges in them. We sure wouldn't want to be doing that well. All that growth, higher wages, young educated people creating businesses and acting as a good labor force attracting even more businesses,,,, Geesh it must be awful. Better to have a stagnant economy, a comparatively less educated workforce, and low wage jobs.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by citizen72

Aren't they giving away free tuition?

Yes, TCC is free for local students.

Wasn't that way for me when in graduated in '85.

I'm for sure voting no on this one.

Wasnt that way for me when I graduated in 85 either. But I am voting for it and hope to be able to donate to scholarships some day too.

[Kenosha]

quote:Originally posted by Kiah

Why is no one talking about this election - three weeks away?  They're proposing to raise property taxes another 1.7 mills.  (TCC already gets twice as much of the property tax as city streets.) If the streets proposal involves another 3.3 mills, as has been discussed, everyone will raise holy hell and talk about starving grannies, but this barely gets a glance?

"Starving grannies" gets you +145 my friend.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

So how much is that a week?  The $50 tax, I mean?  Less than a buck, right?  Yeah, that's a pretty onerous tax right there.  

DO THE ROADS FIRST

(just had to say it)

I like TCC. I've been both a student and a teacher  I just thnk they need to rework this proposal. They need to come up with a real plan for downtown as they are running out of places to park students and even just lost a parking lot but they still won't talk about a garage. They also need to be concentrating on brining OETA inhouse at Metro campus which was one of their original plans. I also believe they need to (somewhat) specialize each campus. Tulsa is not big enough that they have to duplicate every class at every campus. SEC needs to concentrate on medical and performing arts, NEC on Computers/IT, etc, etc.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

So how much is that a week?  The $50 tax, I mean?  Less than a buck, right?  Yeah, that's a pretty onerous tax right there.  

DO THE ROADS FIRST

(just had to say it)

I like TCC. I've been both a student and a teacher  I just thnk they need to rework this proposal. They need to come up with a real plan for downtown as they are running out of places to park students and even just lost a parking lot but they still won't talk about a garage. They also need to be concentrating on brining OETA inhouse at Metro campus which was one of their original plans. I also believe they need to (somewhat) specialize each campus. Tulsa is not big enough that they have to duplicate every class at every campus. SEC needs to concentrate on medical and performing arts, NEC on Computers/IT, etc, etc.

It is interesting to consider that they basically have 4 different college campuses. Most of those "best places to live" etc. have far more colleges and more college offerings than Tulsa does. TCC is a VERY large community college, just goes to show ya the need that is out there for college education in Tulsa.

Hopefully we will see the local graduate universities step up and expand to take on the continuing educational needs of ever more TCC students rather than seeing those students have to move out of the city.

As for downtown, I think we are beginning to see a new growth pattern start for TCC and others actually. As buildings that were once abandoned begin to be refurbished and utilized, property values go up,,,,, surface parking will go down. Though wary of parking garages, for something like TCC it may be a good thing.

[swake]

I'm also not sold on adding a lot of capacity at TCC. I have heard that the Northeast campus is very under used. How about some out of the box thinking here and sell that campus to Langston and use the proceeds to open an Owasso location? Use the 2025 funds and have the state kick in some extra cash and Langston could end up with a much larger campus just a mile from where they are wanting to build and TCC could trade under utilized classroom space for a location that would be more used.

And I really agree that TCC has to have garage based downtown parking and needs to stop leveling the south end of downtown. I would like to see TCC and the downtown churches work together on a parking solution, the churches need parking at times when TCC is vacant, or nearly so. They should work together on sharing the cost of parking garages so that all their surface lots can be redeveloped.

I would like to see a reworked proposal that includes Northeast going to Langston, and the subsequent funds from the state and Langston used to start building an Owasso campus. Then a new tax the proposal can include more funds for each of the TCC campuses (and for OSU Tulsa) and parking garages downtown. The funds for the downtown garages can be augmented by the downtown churches that would use the garages mostly on Sundays and Wednesday nights. The garages could gain additional funding from the sale of current surface lots for both the churches and TCC.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by swake

I'm also not sold on adding a lot of capacity at TCC. I have heard that the Northeast campus is very under used. How about some out of the box thinking here and sell that campus to Langston and use the proceeds to open an Owasso location? Use the 2025 funds and have the state kick in some extra cash and Langston could end up with a much larger campus just a mile from where they are wanting to build and TCC could trade under utilized classroom space for a location that would be more used.

And I really agree that TCC has to have garage based downtown parking and needs to stop leveling the south end of downtown. I would like to see TCC and the downtown churches work together on a parking solution, the churches need parking at times when TCC is vacant, or nearly so. They should work together on sharing the cost of parking garages so that all their surface lots can be redeveloped.

I would like to see a reworked proposal that includes Northeast going to Langston, and the subsequent funds from the state and Langston used to start building an Owasso campus. Then a new tax the proposal can include more funds for each of the TCC campuses (and for OSU Tulsa) and parking garages downtown. The funds for the downtown garages can be augmented by the downtown churches that would use the garages mostly on Sundays and Wednesday nights. The garages could gain additional funding from the sale of current surface lots for both the churches and TCC.

Northeast campus is underused because the rest of Tulsa is "skeered" to go to North(ish) Tulsa.  Opent he owasso satellite location and it will get worse. Northeast campus also has some additional funding sources due to fact it serves a lot of minorities. Northeast is home of the cyber-security program which is a good program, but very underutilized.

I personally think the NEC campus location is awkward. It's like they wanted it to be next to a highway so people from other parts of Tulsa would come.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by swake

I'm also not sold on adding a lot of capacity at TCC. I have heard that the Northeast campus is very under used. How about some out of the box thinking here and sell that campus to Langston and use the proceeds to open an Owasso location? Use the 2025 funds and have the state kick in some extra cash and Langston could end up with a much larger campus just a mile from where they are wanting to build and TCC could trade under utilized classroom space for a location that would be more used.

And I really agree that TCC has to have garage based downtown parking and needs to stop leveling the south end of downtown. I would like to see TCC and the downtown churches work together on a parking solution, the churches need parking at times when TCC is vacant, or nearly so. They should work together on sharing the cost of parking garages so that all their surface lots can be redeveloped.

I would like to see a reworked proposal that includes Northeast going to Langston, and the subsequent funds from the state and Langston used to start building an Owasso campus. Then a new tax the proposal can include more funds for each of the TCC campuses (and for OSU Tulsa) and parking garages downtown. The funds for the downtown garages can be augmented by the downtown churches that would use the garages mostly on Sundays and Wednesday nights. The garages could gain additional funding from the sale of current surface lots for both the churches and TCC.

Northeast campus is underused because the rest of Tulsa is "skeered" to go to North(ish) Tulsa.  Opent he owasso satellite location and it will get worse. Northeast campus also has some additional funding sources due to fact it serves a lot of minorities. Northeast is home of the cyber-security program which is a good program, but very underutilized.

I personally think the NEC campus location is awkward. It's like they wanted it to be next to a highway so people from other parts of Tulsa would come.

I'm voting NO.  

All the existing TCC Ad Valorem tax is doing is funding a campus building boom to line the pockets of the favored local construction companies.  The campus buildings are heavily UNDERUTILIZED as it is.

And, don't forget the $1,000,000 Kiss-in-the-Mail that the TCC Board of Regents bestowed on Dean Van Trease as his Going-Away present.  The favored local construction cartel was Sooooooooooo pleased with his oily performance in getting the voters to approve an Ad Valorem increase to Feed their Greed, that they told the Board to give him a Bonus of $1,000,000.

For services rendered.

What a bunch of sweethearts!

There are simply too many educational fiefdoms with mini-potentates ruling the local campuses of TCC, TTC, NSU-Broken Arrow, OU-Tulsa, OSU-Tulsa, and Langston.

Endless duplication, redundancy, feather-bedding and inefficiency.

Vote NO, and give your wallet a brief rest before it gets emptied via a predicted runaway inflation that is looming.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by guido911

I am voting against this tax and any other tax for public education.

Right.  Heard that the first time.  

Since you're just itchin' to tell us, go ahead and  spill it.  Which do you hate, the public part, or the education part? Or just all of it combined?

Wow, I just realized this is an old, rescuitated thread that I double posted.  To answer your question, the "public" part of it.

[Conan71]

Ironically enough, I wrote a paper for my comp course when I was a student at TCC in 1985 which explored the possibility of combining then UCAT and TJC into "Tulsa State University" and offering a full four year, plus graduate level degree programs.

Unless I've left a city off the list, Tulsa is the largest city in the U.S. without a public four-year and post-grad university.  

There is so much weird corruption in the background of the board of regents which has resulted instead in a mish-mash of NEO, Langston, OSU, and OU offering various degree programs.

There is a lot of duplication and wasted resources in TCC (and others) operating multiple campuses in the Tulsa metro area.  In some cases with TCC, it's necessary to use more than one of the campuses to complete all necessary semester course work.

It's not an efficient system as it is now.  They don't need more expansion, consolidation would be more like it.