bottled water debate tomorrow night.

[carltonplace]

What would bottles of water have to debate about? Who are the participants? Aquafina and Ozarka?

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

I keep hearing about how some plastics leach chemicals into water. Is there any indication that plastic water bottles leach any chemicals into that water?

No.  The "dioxin" fear and similar rants of plastic leaching chemicals into water is purely fictional.  

So says snopes, trueorfiction, and John Hopkins University:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/petbottles.asp
http://www.jhsph.edu/dioxins

Yous truck on a pet peeve of mine...  forwarding emails without bothering to look it up (you are not guilty of it here, just saying you reminded me of it).  Good god man, it takes 2 seconds.  I can not resist the urge to email someone back and tell them they are a fool.

Not being a scientist myself, I thought the fear of leaching in plasitcs was the bisphenol A. Is this the same as the dioxin that you mentioned?

What about personal aluminum water bottles to provide the convenience and avoid the plastics?
SIGG is a popular brand.

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

I've boiled them down myself, and that Tulsa tap water will cover the bottom of the pot with a layer of white chalky substance.

All the bottled waters leave a smaller amount of white residue, and the Ozarka Spring Water leaves almost nothing behind when it boils.

So lecture me all you want, I'm only drinking Ozarka.

I won't even give my dog that Tulsa tap water. Nasty, nasty chicken poop, chemical-laden liquid. Absolutely never going to drink it.

If they take bottled water off the shelf, I'd buy a purifier before ingesting it.

Fact: the white chalky substance is what is commonly referred to as "scale".  It's not chicken poop.

Scale is what makes water "hard" and consists of important minerals your body uses: calcium, magnesium, bicarbonates, small amounts of salt, and trace amounts of iron.

I find it hard to believe Hawkins comments were made seriously, but if they were, he is truly a marketer's dream, falling for all the urban myths and internet nonsense about tap water.  I think bottled water is the greatest scam since "patent medicines," a pure convenience item I would only use in emergencies when absolutely nothing else was available.

Tulsa tap water is just dandy to me.  I removed the "PUR" water filter from my kitchen faucet about 1 year ago because the filters are just so overpriced and I have had no taste or odor problems with my tap water in over 3 years.  Your body needs that "scale," but you could always waste more money on mineral supplements.

What about the lost benefits of fluoridation?  I have read and seen on TV multiple times over the past few years that tooth decay and dental disease, especially among young people, has risen in direct proportion or greater to the consumption of bottled water.

[Conan71]

Hey, anyone who believes Tulsa water is bad, I'd be happy to sell them over-priced softening or RO/DI systems for their home.  It will pay for itself in soap and water savings in about 30 years.  [}:)]

Industrial RO/DI/Demin/Softening is ancillary to our primary bidness.

[TheTed]

quote:Originally posted by Steve

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

I've boiled them down myself, and that Tulsa tap water will cover the bottom of the pot with a layer of white chalky substance.

All the bottled waters leave a smaller amount of white residue, and the Ozarka Spring Water leaves almost nothing behind when it boils.

So lecture me all you want, I'm only drinking Ozarka.

I won't even give my dog that Tulsa tap water. Nasty, nasty chicken poop, chemical-laden liquid. Absolutely never going to drink it.

If they take bottled water off the shelf, I'd buy a purifier before ingesting it.

Fact: the white chalky substance is what is commonly referred to as "scale".  It's not chicken poop.

Scale is what makes water "hard" and consists of important minerals your body uses: calcium, magnesium, bicarbonates, small amounts of salt, and trace amounts of iron.

I find it hard to believe Hawkins comments were made seriously, but if they were, he is truly a marketer's dream, falling for all the urban myths and internet nonsense about tap water.  I think bottled water is the greatest scam since "patent medicines," a pure convenience item I would only use in emergencies when absolutely nothing else was available.

Tulsa tap water is just dandy to me.  I removed the "PUR" water filter from my kitchen faucet about 1 year ago because the filters are just so overpriced and I have had no taste or odor problems with my tap water in over 3 years.  Your body needs that "scale," but you could always waste more money on mineral supplements.

What about the lost benefits of fluoridation?  I have read and seen on TV multiple times over the past few years that tooth decay and dental disease, especially among young people, has risen in direct proportion or greater to the consumption of bottled water.

I'm a big believer in flouridation. My dental hygiene is not so good. So it must be all the tap water I drink that's keeping my teeth in good shape.

[Ibanez]

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

[carltonplace]

^ Because of all of the mind control? Um, yes I see the error of my ways now. I will kill all humans as you have commanded.

[Ibanez]

Do you realize that in addition to fluoridated water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake. Children's ice cream?

[carltonplace]

I found this on the interwebs.

by Paul Connett, PhD
Professor of Chemistry
St. Lawrence University
Canton, NY 13617

Paul Connett is one of the world's leading experts in waste management. He is also a Professor of Chemistry at St Lawrence University in Canton, New York.


Animal experiments show that fluoride accumulates in the brain and exposure alters mental behavior in a manner consistent with a neurotoxic agent (Mullenix 1995). Rats dosed prenatally demonstrated hyperactive behavior. Those dosed postnatally demonstrated hypoactivity (i.e. under activity or "couch potato" syndrome). More recent animal experiments have reported that fluoride can damage the brain (Wang 1997; Guan 1998; Varner 1998; Zhao 1998; Zhang 1999; Lu 2000; Shao 2000; Sun 2000; Bhatnagar 2002; Chen 2002, 2003; Long 2002; Shivarajashankara 2002a, b; Shashi 2003 and Zhai 2003) and impact learning and behavior (Paul 1998; Zhang 1999, 2001; Sun 2000; Ekambaram 2001; Bhatnagar 2002).

[Ibanez]

You know when fluoridation first began?

Nineteen hundred and forty six. Nineteen fortysix, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your postwar commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard core commie works.

[carltonplace]

Do you realize this is your 666 post?

[Ibanez]

Purity Of Essence

[cannon_fodder]

Potatoes!  That's what they use.  No, one should only imbibe grain spirits.

But as for me, I'm not worried.  I've learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.
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Per Hawkins:

Tulsa tap water has very little, if any chicken poop in it.  Mainly because there are few operations in this immediate area.  They are largely south and east of us, also known as "downstream."  northern Oklahoma, Kansas, and Colorado are not known as hotbeds for poultry.  

What's more, our water sits for long periods of time.  The phospohrus in the chicken litter would be largely consumed by algae blooms.  What was left is filter out and then decontaminated with various processees.  Which are then confirmed by mandatory testing.

The scale you see are hard water minerals.  Calcium, salts, mangesium, and trace amounts of flouride and chlorine, as well as various other trace minerals. The same minerals you eat in vitamins, the same minerals added to your ozarka water.  I've drank from glacial streams, aquafers, and lakes donkey in the middle of Canada.  Tulsa water is just fine but-for some off taste ("pool") when they keep algae and bacterial blooms in check in the early summer.   The health aspects of it are just fine.

And for dogs...  Really?  My dog prefers Arkansas river water, a horse trough, or Budweiser to bottle water.  It's a dog, there is no accounting for taste.

[dbacks fan]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

Purity Of Essence

I was stationed at Burpleson Air Force Base. Flew many a mission with Maj. Kong guided by General Jack D. Ripper. Still have my survival kit and instructions.

Survival kit contents check. In them you'll find: one forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days' concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings. Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.

[DolfanBob]

Until I started my diet at the first of the year, I thought that anyone that bought bottle water was a nut. I pay for water thru my wonderful utilty company so why buy bottles. Well I now am a bottle buyer and user. Until now my body had to make due and filter it's own water thru what I gave it. i.e. Beer or soda(pop)I still truly cannot tell the difference between Dasani,Auqafina etc.etc.etc. And if they think I'm paying that Fiji price they are nut's. If the plasic in the bottles seems to bother everyone(at this time)I have a feeling that after the trend of buying bottled water slows down to where we all just take it as we do, let's say disposable diapers. The issue of money over planet will die down also. I also remember a couple of years back I could not even buy a can of freon and now since they have changed the type of freon(which I had to convert my old car to.$$$)I can now buy freon again. I am not against recycling,conservation or anything else to help the planet but I harken back to my Dad always saying that this planet was around long before I got here and I have a feeling it's going to be around a lot longer after I'm gone.
Oh also, So far 35 lbs lost.