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Title: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Hoss on June 11, 2012, 02:32:06 PM
http://www.newson6.com/story/18757972/former-tulsa-city-councilor-to-announce-bid-for-mayor
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Conan71 on June 11, 2012, 02:37:37 PM
I don't have a problem with Christianson, it's Martinson and Westcott I didn't care for.  Curious why he's announcing a full 18 months prior to the election and 10 months before the filing deadline.  Someone like Christianson shouldn't need that much extra time for fund raising.
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Gaspar on June 11, 2012, 03:00:04 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 11, 2012, 02:37:37 PM
I don't have a problem with Christianson, it's Martinson and Westcott I didn't care for.  Curious why he's announcing a full 18 months prior to the election and 10 months before the filing deadline.  Someone like Christianson shouldn't need that much extra time for fund raising.

It's an old tactic, the Sicilian (Dragon) opening.  Gives him that extra press boost and forces any other serious candidates into the open before they are ready.  

From this point on, for every statement Mayor Bartlett makes, the media will hunt down Bill and get a comment.  It's smart, bold, and free until others enter the race.  If other candidates wait too long, they will have a hard time framing a platform against him, and will have to spend more time and money doing so.  It also forces Bartlett's team to switch gears into campaign mode way to early.  This opens the door to criticism, because he can be seen as campaigning when he should be on "Tulsa time."

If we have other serious candidates out there, they will have to make their intensions known.  This means that they will have to be ready to spend campaign time and money.  Bill has essentially thrown down the gauntlet, and until someone picks it up, he's going to get a ton of free press, and a marked advantage for every day he stands alone.

His campaign mgr must be a lion!

Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Hoss on June 11, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on June 11, 2012, 03:00:04 PM
It's an old tactic, the Sicilian (Dragon) opening.  Gives him that extra press boost and forces any other serious candidates into the open before they are ready.  

From this point on, for every statement Mayor Bartlett makes, the media will hunt down Bill and get a comment.  It's smart, bold, and free until others enter the race.  If other candidates wait too long, they will have a hard time framing a platform against him, and will have to spend more time and money doing so.  It also forces Bartlett's team to switch gears into campaign mode way to early.  This opens the door to criticism, because he can be seen as campaigning when he should be on "Tulsa time."

If we have other serious candidates out there, they will have to make their intensions known.  This means that they will have to be ready to spend campaign time and money.  Bill has essentially thrown down the gauntlet, and until someone picks it up, he's going to get a ton of free press, and a marked advantage for every day he stands alone.

His campaign mgr must be a lion!



At some point I'm waiting for the press to ask him about how he feels regarding fireproof cellphones.
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Gaspar on June 11, 2012, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: Hoss on June 11, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
At some point I'm waiting for the press to ask him about how he feels regarding fireproof cellphones.

Do you realize how many pairs of slacks are burned down every year from combustable cellular telephony?
It's a real issue!
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Conan71 on June 11, 2012, 03:17:03 PM
Quote from: Hoss on June 11, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
At some point I'm waiting for the press to ask him about how he feels regarding fireproof cellphones.

What's that smell?

Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Hoss on June 11, 2012, 03:21:09 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on June 11, 2012, 03:16:31 PM
Do you realize how many pairs of slacks are burned down every year from combustable cellular telephony?
It's a real issue!

I know an old Motorola clamshell phone I had in the early 2000s was said to be prone to getting very hot and some did actually catch fire.  I've never heard of it happening though before Mayor Dewey.  Maybe why I make fun of him so much.

;D
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Gaspar on June 11, 2012, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on June 11, 2012, 03:17:03 PM
What's that smell?



That's the smell of Wow!

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4081/4866109873_5e8ca36b08.jpg)
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Conan71 on June 11, 2012, 03:45:51 PM
It was probably the blunt he didn't put out all the way after lunch that day.
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: swake on June 11, 2012, 05:19:47 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on June 11, 2012, 03:30:37 PM
That's the smell of Wow!

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4081/4866109873_5e8ca36b08.jpg)

He looks good in a headset. Too bad his family has money, he missed his true calling working in a call center.
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: heironymouspasparagus on June 11, 2012, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on June 11, 2012, 03:30:37 PM
That's the smell of Wow!



Don't knock the Sham Wow! - they work great!!

Dewey on the other hand....not so much.

Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: RecycleMichael on June 11, 2012, 09:06:02 PM
Bill Christiansen will be an interesting opponent for Dewey Bartlett.

They have different circles of friends and really don't like each other.

Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: carltonplace on June 12, 2012, 09:39:09 AM
Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on June 11, 2012, 08:46:05 PM

Don't knock the Sham Wow! - they work great!!

Dewey on the other hand....not so much.



Good one, Bill should borrow that from you.
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: sgrizzle on June 12, 2012, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: Hoss on June 11, 2012, 02:32:06 PM
http://www.newson6.com/story/18757972/former-tulsa-city-councilor-to-announce-bid-for-mayor

This run is why he almost didn't run for city council in 2009 and chose not to run at all in 2011. I predict Christiansen, Leighty and Bartlett for the repub nod with GT trying his hand next round.
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: rdj on June 13, 2012, 09:36:01 AM
Quote from: sgrizzle on June 12, 2012, 01:07:23 PM
This run is why he almost didn't run for city council in 2009 and chose not to run at all in 2011. I predict Christiansen, Leighty and Bartlett for the repub nod with GT trying his hand next round.

What do you mean by repub nod?  It's a non-partisan race.  Do you think the R clique in town will get together and select a candidate?
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Hoss on June 13, 2012, 10:03:36 AM
Quote from: rdj on June 13, 2012, 09:36:01 AM
What do you mean by repub nod?  It's a non-partisan race.  Do you think the R clique in town will get together and select a candidate?

Didn't we vote away partisan elections for local office?  Or was I dreaming about that?
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: carltonplace on June 13, 2012, 11:21:54 AM
Quote from: Hoss on June 13, 2012, 10:03:36 AM
Didn't we vote away partisan elections for local office?  Or was I dreaming about that?

We did vote away the little, "R", "D" or "I" next to their names but you are indeed dreaming if you think this will make Tulsans non-partisan.
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Hoss on June 13, 2012, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: carltonplace on June 13, 2012, 11:21:54 AM
We did vote away the little, "R", "D" or "I" next to their names but you are indeed dreaming if you think this will make Tulsans non-partisan.

That was what I was asking.  I know it will never make them non-partisan.  It's just that in local office, I couldn't care less what a candidate's social politics are that don't directly affect how they would govern at the local level.  Case in point:  who cares if someone is against ObamaCare or someone is against abortion?  Can they address the budget issues we as a city have.  How about infrastructure?

Hell, I don't even really care at this level if they 'have the Okie in 'em'....
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: Townsend on June 13, 2012, 11:29:45 AM
Quote from: Hoss on June 13, 2012, 11:26:12 AM
That was what I was asking.  I know it will never make them non-partisan.  It's just that in local office, I couldn't care less what a candidate's social politics are that don't directly affect how they would govern at the local level.  Case in point:  who cares if someone is against ObamaCare or someone is against abortion?  Can they address the budget issues we as a city have.  How about infrastructure?

Hell, I don't even really care at this level if they 'have the Okie in 'em'....

"against Obamacare" is this generation's "911".
Title: Re: Oh jeez...really Bill?
Post by: sgrizzle on June 13, 2012, 11:36:31 AM
asLt I heard those provisions also had us doing elections in a month we're not allowed to do elections in.