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« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2015, 07:17:43 pm »


City Of Cincinnati Terminates UCPD Patrols After Suspicious Spike In Minority Traffic Stops


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« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2015, 05:12:48 pm »

More Texas crazy:

There is a line between acting out of an abundance of caution and entering the theater of the absurd. Authorities in Irving, Texas, appear to have barreled across that line this week when they mistook a student-made clock for a fake bomb and marched a handcuffed 14-year-old freshman, Ahmed Muhamed, out of school and into juvenile detention.

"Under Texas law, a person is guilty of possessing a hoax bomb if he possesses a device that is intended to cause anyone to be alarmed or a reaction of any type by law enforcement officers," Irving, Texas police Chief Larry Boyd said.


...which is interpreted that the over-reaction by police in and of itself made it a crime.  Sort of a self-fulfilling felony.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-clock-20150917-story.html
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« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2015, 11:24:41 am »

More Texas crazy:

There is a line between acting out of an abundance of caution and entering the theater of the absurd. Authorities in Irving, Texas, appear to have barreled across that line this week when they mistook a student-made clock for a fake bomb and marched a handcuffed 14-year-old freshman, Ahmed Muhamed, out of school and into juvenile detention.

"Under Texas law, a person is guilty of possessing a hoax bomb if he possesses a device that is intended to cause anyone to be alarmed or a reaction of any type by law enforcement officers," Irving, Texas police Chief Larry Boyd said.


...which is interpreted that the over-reaction by police in and of itself made it a crime.  Sort of a self-fulfilling felony.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-clock-20150917-story.html

So the clock alarmed them?

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« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2015, 12:59:39 pm »

So the clock alarmed them?



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« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2015, 06:53:44 pm »


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq4BR5KHuqA&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2015, 09:59:41 am »


She was asked....  Then told to leave the classroom.   (Before the officer was even called to the classroom.)   

While it was not handled well, what are the alternatives?   You would have complained if he tased her as well.    How do you get her to comply?   

I'm not sure I like the way it was handled either, but if she would have left the classroom ANY of the times she was asked, it wouldn't have gotten there.   
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« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2015, 01:26:00 pm »

BUZZ - wrong answer T Dub.

"They should have just complied" is not an excuse. I couldn't use that kind of force on my child in a public place if my teenage son was lipping off to me without being arrested for child abuse. But it is OK for an employee of the school to do so?

The rule is NEVER "just shut up and do what you are told or we can do whatever we want."  The officer is the government agent. The officer is the professional. The officer is the one with training and access to resources to handle difficult situations. It shouldn't be the officer that resorts to this sort of action.

If the girl was posing a threat, do you have to do. But she was being a noncompliant jerk. That is not uncommon for teenagers. One has to imagine there are better ways of handling the situation or we would hear this on the news daily. That said - it appears the teacher and officer exhausted more calm alternatives and did need to escalate it somehow. Most often the kids desk is simply ragged out into the hallway and the obnoxious behavior can continue there - while the rest of the class moves on.

In this instance it appears to me the officer was trying to remove her from the desk with some force, but it doesn't appear he tried to tip her over backwards. He didn't know her leg was locked around the desk and thus was not anticipating the desk flipping over. When he did try to remove her and the desk fell, he probably felt the need to control the situation before it escalated further (that is, the level of force he ended up using caught him off guard and he feared retaliation).  But, unintended consequences are a risk of sudden uses of force.

I think this could have been handled better, but I don't think it is a situation where the officer came in with a "bust some heads" attitude.
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« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2015, 01:37:23 pm »

BUZZ - wrong answer T Dub.

"They should have just complied" is not an excuse. I couldn't use that kind of force on my child in a public place if my teenage son was lipping off to me without being arrested for child abuse. But it is OK for an employee of the school to do so?

The rule is NEVER "just shut up and do what you are told or we can do whatever we want."  The officer is the government agent. The officer is the professional. The officer is the one with training and access to resources to handle difficult situations. It shouldn't be the officer that resorts to this sort of action.


One bad officials' choices are one matter, but the school decided to also arrest a second student who stood up during the assault and VERBALLY COMPLAINED about the bullying.  That sort of set the bar for their frame of mind.
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« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2015, 02:05:44 pm »


The rule is NEVER "just shut up and do what you are told or we can do whatever we want."  The officer is the government agent. The officer is the professional. The officer is the one with training and access to resources to handle difficult situations. It shouldn't be the officer that resorts to this sort of action.



I see your point...   But too often the rule is exactly that.

(And sometimes I don't blame them.)
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« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2015, 10:57:58 am »

The deputy who assaulted the recalcitrant student has been fired for violation of department policy.

One bad officials' choices are one matter, but the school decided to also arrest a second student who stood up during the assault and VERBALLY COMPLAINED about the bullying.  That sort of set the bar for their frame of mind.

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« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2015, 12:16:17 pm »

And of course the part of the video where she swings at the cop was left out.....
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« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2015, 01:59:06 pm »

And of course the part of the video where she swings at the cop was left out.....

Not to the police chief.  He was ultimately the decider on this.

And it wasn't a 'part of the video'.  There was third video that was never released that showed this.  Hmm...never released.
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« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2015, 02:38:02 pm »

And of course the part of the video where she swings at the cop was left out.....

I'm not really sure I see a swing so much as flailing when she's being slammed down. But let's say she did, is she not allowed to defend herself while being assaulted?

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« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2015, 04:31:12 pm »

I'm not really sure I see a swing so much as flailing when she's being slammed down. But let's say she did, is she not allowed to defend herself while being assaulted?



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