QuikTrip Expansion at 21st and Harvard

[godboko71]

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Sorry for the delay all. The PDF and JPG links are full versions of the file.

[Limabean]

So Tulsa is becoming more pedestrian and forward thinking by building bigger gas stations?

Interesting..........

[patric]

They will be required to submit a detailed lighting plan to get a PUD --
and that plan should NOT include the obnoxious "Scottsdale" lights they told you about last year (since they wont meet code today).

Did they give you a copy of the plan?

[tulsa1603]

quote:Originally posted by patric

They will be required to submit a detailed lighting plan to get a PUD --
and that plan should NOT include the obnoxious "Scottsdale" lights they told you about last year (since they wont meet code today).

Did they give you a copy of the plan?

I have nothing about lighting...the only other thing I do have is a schematic of their "monument" signs, which are pretty typical looking.

[cannon_fodder]

Thanks for the link... but they take up another 2 lots for more asphalt.  A negative move for development in my book.  As a regular user of that station, it adds no value to me.

To avoid the circular need for me to post this, I'll just do it here:  I'm not advocating telling them they can not expand.  Just saying I view the development as a negative.

[LongtimeTulsan]

The entire front lot will be nothing but gas pumps and canopy - From the plan it looks to be 16 or so pumps. That is mega -

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by LongtimeTulsan

The entire front lot will be nothing but gas pumps and canopy - From the plan it looks to be 16 or so pumps. That is mega -

8 pump islands. that is small compared to the the newer stores and a speck compared to the texas stores.

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by LongtimeTulsan

The entire front lot will be nothing but gas pumps and canopy - From the plan it looks to be 16 or so pumps. That is mega -

8 pump islands. that is small compared to the the newer stores and a speck compared to the texas stores.

agreed. Go look at the quiktrips around the Dallas area...WOW

[LongtimeTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by LongtimeTulsan

The entire front lot will be nothing but gas pumps and canopy - From the plan it looks to be 16 or so pumps. That is mega -

8 pump islands. that is small compared to the the newer stores and a speck compared to the texas stores.

8 pump islands means 16 stations. QT is acting like they are building on undeveloped land and not in an established neighborhood. No - it is not a plus for the area. The traffic and congestion will only get worse.

Given that they pass E10 off for gasoline - I am surprised that anyone buys their gas. I wonder if QT will replace engines.

[tulsa1603]

At the Florence Park Homeowner's meeting last night, it was announced that they've applied for the PUD.  They gave the association everything they asked for as far as screening goes along Gary Pl...and the two guys that ran the QT committee said that they wouldn't oppose it.  They felt that it was inevitable, and they were glad that QT was workign with them on the screening issue.  They don't feel that the loss of the photography studio, rundown duplexes or rundown house are a big loss (and I'm not sure that I don't agree with that)  The president of FPHOA was obviously opposed, so I'm not sure what action she'll be taking.

Then one of them said something like "and they'll be using the Scottsdale lighting which is supposed to be the best.."  and I couldn't help but think of some of Patric's posts here.  Since I didn't know enough about it, I wasn't sure what to say.  No one was there from QT to answer questions anyway.  And, interestingly enough, neither was our new city councilor Eric Gomez, though Maria Barnes was...as was Randi Miller, who used the audience to rally against annexation of the fairgrounds and against moving Driller stadium downtown.

Anyway, it goes before the board sometimes toward the end of May.  I'll post that date as soon as i retrieve my notes from last night.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by tulsa1603

Then one of them said something like "and they'll be using the Scottsdale lighting which is supposed to be the best.."  and I couldn't help but think of some of Patric's posts here.  Since I didn't know enough about it, I wasn't sure what to say.  No one was there from QT to answer questions anyway.

These were two guys from the neighborhood committee saying that?  
The "Scottsdale" glare bombs wont meet code under a PUD, that is certain.  Either their information is old, or QT doesnt have a real plan to comply with zoning.  

Maybe you could invite more of your neighborhood commitee to the TulsaNow forum?

[buckeye]

Maria Barnes was there but Eric Gomez wasn't?  What a chucklehead.

[YoungTulsan]

In cases like this, I don't even think it is about making more money for QT at this particular location.  They could leave the current store and continue raking in money.  I think their business model wants to have the same level of service, convenience, and product line uniformally wherever you step into a QuikTrip.  A cramped parking lot that can be a pain to get in and out of, and a packed store lead you to subconsciously associate QT with inconvenience.

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

In cases like this, I don't even think it is about making more money for QT at this particular location.  They could leave the current store and continue raking in money.  I think their business model wants to have the same level of service, convenience, and product line uniformally wherever you step into a QuikTrip.  A cramped parking lot that can be a pain to get in and out of, and a packed store lead you to subconsciously associate QT with inconvenience.

agreed.  I for one will avoid that store if at all possible and go down the road to the one at 48th and yale if I have to.  The parking is cramped, the gas pumps are a pain in the butt to get into/out of.  Not much convienence at that location

[In2neon]

Then one of them said something like "and they'll be using the Scottsdale lighting which is supposed to be the best.."  

Before everyone gets in an uproar about using the Scottsdale fixture be aware some QTs have fitted the Scottsdale (from LSI lighting) with the optional cutoff shield and this seems to direct light where it should be and make this fixture much more friendly...
Only a greatly reduced glow looking at the fixture sides, as opposed to without, when these first started to pop up...
I find the Scottsdale with the cutoff shield quite acceptable...
Also MH lighting will have a large initial punch of light with fresh bulbs then plateaus to a more acceptable level after a few hundred hours....